Genealogy Chat

What do you folks reckon to this - 2 households in the same address -the first in 1881,the second in 1891-both families are at 14 Cockerel Road Kirkdale Liverpool.Bear in mind that the couple in the census of 1891 got married in 1883 (betwen censi).

Mary Jones abt 1861 Liverpool Sister Kirkdale Lancashire Alfred E. O Cliffe abt 1879 Liverpool Son Kirkdale Lancashire Edith E. O Cliffe Liverpool Daughter Kirkdale Lancashire Henry O Cliffe abt 1853 Birmingham Head Kirkdale Lancashire Maria O Cliffe abt 1854 Liverpool Wife Kirkdale Lancashire Thomas H. O Cliffe abt 1875 Liverpool Son Kirkdale Lancashire William J. O Cliffe abt 1877 Liverpool Son Kirkdale Lancashire this is at 14 cockrell road -notice the O Cliffe bit and the family members........... 2 years later a henry cliff gets married to a margaret ellen horrocks and they are living in this house>>>>

Come on, gizz us a clue....!

Catherine Cliff abt 1889 Liverpool Daughter Kirkdale Lancashire Ellen Cliff abt 1874 Liverpool Stepdaughter Kirkdale Lancashire Hannah Cliff abt 1885 Liverpool Daughter Kirkdale Lancashire Henry Cliff abt 1851 Liverpool Head Kirkdale Lancashire Henry Cliff abt 1887 Liverpool Son Kirkdale Lancashire Margt E Cliff abt 1855 Liverpool Wife Kirkdale Lancashire Thomas Cliff abt 1891 Liverpool Son Kirkdale Lancashire a brand new family at 14 Cockerel road -dropped the O bit and has a step daughter in tow .

Hi If you look at the 1881 image, there's nothing to suggest that the O isn't just the initial of the father's second given name. Edith E should have an age - she was 6 months, by the look of it. I had wondered whether she might have been Ellen, but probably not, in that case! Christine

Hi Alter Looks like the family you found at that address in 1881 had moved by the 1891 census 1881 census Mary Jones abt 1861 Liverpool Sister Kirkdale Lancashire Alfred E. O Cliffe abt 1879 Liverpool Son Kirkdale Lancashire Edith E. O Cliffe Liverpool Daughter Kirkdale Lancashire Henry O Cliffe abt 1853 Birmingham Head Kirkdale Lancashire Maria O Cliffe abt 1854 Liverpool Wife Kirkdale Lancashire Thomas H. O Cliffe abt 1875 Liverpool Son Kirkdale Lancashire William J. O Cliffe abt 1877 Liverpool Son Kirkdale Lancashire 1891 census Alfred E Cliffe abt 1879 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Everton Lancashire Bertha Cliffe abt 1886 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Everton Lancashire Edith E Cliffe abt 1881 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Everton Lancashire Henry H Cliffe abt 1853 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Head Everton Lancashire Maria Cliffe abt 1853 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Wife Everton Lancashire Oswald Cliffe abt 1889 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Son Everton Lancashire RG12/2947 Registration district: West Derby Sub registration district: South Everton ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Folio: 39 Address is 53 Mill St Jackie

I dont know if this helps, but several times, I`ve found stepchildren given the surname of the stepfather on the census even though there was no formal adoption. Sometimes they kept the name others reverted to their real surname in adulthood. Sue

AAhhh I see,so that proves that its just a coincidence or maybe the 2 henrys are cousins etc. What is bizarre is that I cant find the liverpool henry in 1881-he should be about 31 yrs old. The birming ham one isnt mine ...my family is the second family with margaret ellen as wife.

Still quite a coincidence that such a similar lot of names ended up at the same address when they were not the same family! Christine

so it looks like margaret had a previous marriage maybe- she seems to be at home aged 20....the marriage corresponds with the second child there-hannah .

thanks folks.