Genealogy Chat

Paul..... I had another wee search and can't find a Rachel being born too a Rachel & William Jones. Just the Thomas Jones. Could it not be the case off the Registrar getting confused with Rachel marrying a William and her mothers name being Rachel also.. (as was one off my marriages had the mothers name the same as the daughters name margaret moffat. Her name was really mary moffat - which then made it the same name as margarets new husbands mother also margaret moffat- sorted that one out with 1841 cencus & birth & death off the daughter) If it says Thomas on Rachel's Birth & Death Certs and it is just her marriage to a William that was different then I'd say you were on the right path... These are the marriages from Familysearch 1815-1830 for Rachel Williams to William/Thomas Jones:- THOMAS JONES 4th Oct 1826, Christ Church, Greyfriars, Newgate, London, England. THOMAS JONES 28th March 1825, Eglwysilan, Glanmorgan, Wales. THOMAS JONES 27th Nov 1816, Llangadock, Carmarthen, Wales. WILLIAM JONES 9th May 1815, Bassaleg, Monmouth, England. WILLIAM JONES 28th Aug 1824, Bassaleg, Monmouth, England. I'm sure registars back then were given a peek off the future researchers and changed 1st names, swapped round letters on surnames and scribbled writing just for a laugh!!..LOL Sui :)))

Well done Sui.... William Hutt was a city of London detective and died in 1902 when he fell out of a hansom cab! I had typed 1859 from memory, but of course that is correct. As for the marriage of Rachel Williams she was born in 1799 so it could have been any time after, say, 1817. This will be a tricky one.

Hi Paul.... I couldn't even find a marriage for Rachel Jones in 1859 Just one: Rachel Jones & William Hutt 14th Oct 1860 Saint Brides. Sui (just out of curiousity I checked for any Thomas Or William Jones Marrying a Rachel at Saint Brides 1775-1865/1870-1880=None!! so her parents didn't marry there!!)

If this game was easy it wouldn't be such a thrill when we score a hit! Rachel was baptised on 13th March 1836 at St Brides. She was married in the same church in 1859. Her father had died when she was a toddler and her mother remarried Robert Roberts in 1839. They continued to run Thomas's dairy business in Fetter Lane until Robert's death in the late 1860's. So, have you found out any more about William?

Paul... Isn't it so disheartening when you start to tie the ends & they just won't fit.... Out off interest when was your Rachel Born? Sui There's 58 Jones born 1813-1859 at St Brides, Fleet St,. There is a Rachel {Bap} 13th March 1836. too:- Thomas & Rachel Jones. (Do you Know any off her Siblings Names?? found them on Cencus etc??)

That's sweet of you Sui, but I found the initial info from the IGI in the first place. As a matter of interest this has brought me round full circle after 18 months. The IGI entry for my ancestor Rachel Jones shows her father as Thomas. I was convinced I had the right man until I acquired her marriage certificate which gave her father's name as William. So for the past 18 months I have been looking for the wrong man. This evening I found an entry in an 1833 street directory which gives his name as Thomas, the name I had in the first place.

Hi Paul..... You helped me with my army-man, maybe I could return the favour? I could check on IGI for you if you like? Who/What are you looking for?? Sui

You are correct! St Bride Fleet Street (0.87 miles northwest of city centre) was destroyed by the Great Fire of 1666, was rebuilt, gutted during WWII, and rebuilt again. Bridwell Chapel was united to St Bride Fleet Street in 1864.* Holy Trinity Gough Square was united to St Bride in 1906.** Parish records are in the Guildhall Library: baptisms, 1587-1672, 1673-1939 and 1952; marriages, 1587-1666 and 1675-1969; banns, 1735-1825 and 1850-1908; marriage licenses, 1869-72 and 1883-1907; and burials 1587-1672 and 1673-1854. Registers for baptisms for part of 1672-73, marriages 1666-75, burials for part of 1672-1673 are not known to exist. For baptisms 1842-1906, marriages 1869-1906, and banns 1879-1906, see also Holy Trinity Gough Square. Later baptisms and marriage registers are retained by the incumbent. A partial index to baptisms and marriages for the years 1587-1880 is in the IGI Merry

Anybody know where the birth and marriage records are held? Would it be the Guildhall Library?