Genealogy Chat

Hi I am hoping someone out there can give me a flash of inspiration. i have been going off on different branches of family tree because i am stuck with the main branch and today have decided to see for the last time if there is anything i can do to push on with it. The furthest back i have been able to go is my great grandparents because they came over from ireland and i know it is very hard to track down irish records. but if i could find out when they came over then that would be a start. they married in 1872 in bolton england so i would like to think they were here in 1871. they would have been in sepaerate families but if i could find them on another census that would be a help. i have their marriage cert and one of the witness has the same surname as my great grandad so i thought perhaps it could be a brother and i have tried looking for the combination but no luck. see below for info thanks linda

marriage cert 8th January 1872 - patrick o'neil - 22 years old - bachelor - collier - haydock ashton le willows (this is in lancashire and now known as haydock ) fathers name - Patrick o'neill - farmer Margaret carney - 18 years old - spinster - dootson square farnworth ( this is a district of bolton lancashire ) - john carney - labourer witness - james o'neil ( the mark of ) sarah lomax ( or could be lamar ) I have patrick and margaret onwards right up to their deaths in 1902 and 1915 in Leigh lancashire Is there anything i could do to help me find them earlier thanks for any ieas. I dont know if patrick came over on his own or if his father patrick came with him ? any ideas love linda x x

Any chance of passenger lists being available? Christine

no christine there are no passengers lists from ireland to uk wish he'd gone to usa it would have been easier to trace him !!thanks linda x

Name: Margaret Carney Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1853 Relation: Lodger Household: View other family members Gender: Female Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Farnworth Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: Farnworth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Source information: RG10/3917 Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Folio: 39 Page: 10 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 52 GSU Number: 842051

Hi Lindy - Is Fulwood in the same sort of area? There is a Patrick O'Neill of the right sort of age there on the 1871, born Tuam, Ireland. Sorry, I can't view the image (I am at work!!) but when I go for View Other Family Members there are an awful lot of people as if he is maybe living in some sort of hostel.

marie thats great but trust her to be a lodger and not with family !! love linda x

View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Benery Carney abt 1836 Ireland Wife Bedford Lancashire View Record Bridget Carney abt 1850 Ireland Daughter Bedford Lancashire View Record Catherine Carney abt 1845 Ireland Daughter Bedford Lancashire View Record John Carney abt 1828 Ireland Head Bedford Lancashire View Record Margaret Carney abt 1854 Ireland Daughter Bedford Lancashire View Record Mary Carney abt 1848 Ireland Daughter Bedford Lancashire possible for 1861

Hi angela fulwood is about 40 miles away and it is an army barracks. there has never been any mention of any soldiers in our family so dont know if there is a connection ? love linda x

Ah, well. That would account for all the people then!!!

hi marie so if thats the carneys and i think it is because margarets father was john and he is on the 1881 census as being at patrick and margarets house as a lodger and his wife benery is down as head of house hold at their house this is because john was visiting his daughter . they lived just around the corner. i suppose its a leap of faith to suppose the margaret in 1871 who is a lodger is the same margaret as the one in 1861. so the carneys must have come over between 1854 and 1861 so that narrows that down i wish the o'neills were a bit easier to sort. love linda x

cant find the carneys in 1871 - marie thats them in 1861 and the benery i found in 1881 was born in 1852 and not 1836 as in 1861 census and on the 1861 census there is no mention of a daughter born 1852 called benery. so iahve the wrong one in1881. can anyone find them in 1871 ? love linda x

no they were defo from ireland - galway thanks can anyone find them on the 1871 i only have john carney on the 1881 living with his daughter margaret and her husband patrick oneil and family thanks linda x