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Trying to find info on Thomas Butterworth who married Henrietta Gordon Munro (born 1861 in Keith, Banffshire. They lived in Cupar until 1899 when they moved down to Newport, Mon. A newspaper article states that Thomas arrived in Cupar from ´The North´but I have no idea where and when he met Henrietta. Henrietta was still living with her parents in Keith in 1881. Can anyone help with 1891 Census returns please (for Cupar) as these might state more about his background. Thanks.

Ann I havn't got the 1891 census you will have to subscribe to scotlands people to view the census. There is 2 Thomas Butterworths in scotland in 1881 maybe he is one of them... Dwelling: (57) Canongate 3 Forsyths Close Census Place: Edinburgh Canongate, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224002 GRO Ref Volume 685-3 EnumDist 84 Page 5 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robert STEWART M 37 M Trinitygask, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Shoemaker (Unemployed) Hannah STEWART M 38 F Coldingham, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Wife Thomas H. BUTTERWORTH 16 M Lancashire, England Rel: Step Son Occ: Brassfinisher (Apprentice) Bertha BUTTERWORTH 13 F Lancashire, England Rel: Step Daur Occ: Boxmaker (Apprentice) Frederick H. J. BUTTERWORTH 12 M Lancashire, England Rel: Step Son Occ: Scholar Harry C.N. BUTTERWORTH 10 M Lancashire, England Rel: Step Son Occ: Scholar Henry D. BUTTERWORTH 7 M Lancashire, England Rel: Step Son Occ: Scholar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dwelling: 29 Bishop Street Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203667 GRO Ref Volume 644-10 EnumDist 65 Page 15 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Malcolm MC TAGGART M 27 M Leicester, England Rel: Head Occ: Carter Margt.B. MC TAGGART M 26 F Kincardine On Forth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife James MC TAGGART 6 M Glasgow Rel: Son Margt. MC TAGGART 1 m F Glasgow Rel: Daur Thomas BUTTERWORTH U 40 M Glasgow Rel: Boarder Occ: Tailor Georgina.

If you go on Scotland's People to look at the Thomas Butterworth / Henrietta Munro marriage, it should give you details of both sets of parents. Kate.

Ann if the first family I posted is your Thomas then this looks like him with his family in 1871. Bertha Butterworth abt 1868 Parish of Buy Daughter Heap Lancashire Fredick Well Jeffery Butterworth abt 1869 Parish of Buy Son Heap Lancashire Hannah Butterworth abt 1843 Scotland Wife Heap Lancashire Harry Christel Butterworth abt 1871 Parish of Buy Son Heap Lancashire Joseph Butterworth abt 1832 Bury Head Heap Lancashire Joseph James Butterworth abt 1864 Parish of Buy Son Heap Lancashire Thomas Holme Butterworth abt 1865 Parish of Buy Son Heap Lancashire Source information: RG10/3950 Registration district: Bury Sub-registration district: Heywood ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 138 Page: 3 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 13 GSU Number: 841947 Georgina.

Ann according to scotlands people free search they married in 1888. Georgina.

just a thought. but if he arrived in Cupar from the north could they both have been in Keith? I know Keith, used to live not far away it's right up on the north east coast of Scotland Linda

Is this them in 1901 (Wales)? I would have thought that Butterworth was a North of England name rather than North of Scotland, so my guess is the 'the North' meant North of England. Just looking at the image of the entry below, the surname is a bit of a scrawl but it could well say Butterworth, and it looks as though the enumerator got Thomas and Henrietta's details muddled up as the occupation for Thomas is blank, but for Henrietta it says, '1st Class Officer of Inland Revenue Estate (?) Outdoor Dept' and above in the box for Thomas's occupation there is what looks like a little arrow pointing down to the box below (Henrietta's) and 'Civil' written by a different hand, i.e. when the returns were being processed they counted that job as civil service. Then in the boxes for 'Employer/Worker/Own Account', again, Thomas's box is blank and Henrietta's says 'Worker'. So I believe this accounts for why Henrietta's birthplace is given as 'Witton, Cheshire' the same as Thomas's. View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image View Record Henrietta Butlerwood abt 1862 Witton, Cheshire, England Wife Newport Monmouthshire View Record Henry C Butlerwood abt 1892 Scotland Son Newport Monmouthshire View Record Robert G Butlerwood abt 1897 Scotland Son Newport Monmouthshire View Record Thomas Butlerwood abt 1862 Witton, Cheshire, England Head Newport Monmouthshire View Record Thomas S Butlerwood abt 1889 Scotland Son Newport Monmouthshire View Record Lily Thomas abt 1884 Newport, Monmouthshire, Wales Servant Newport Monmouthshire

If that is the right family in 1901, then if you search 1871 England (on ancestry) for Thomas Butterworth born Witton, Cheshire abt. 1862 you will find him with his family, and to check it is the right one just look at his marriage on Scotland's People and there should be enough information there to be sure. Kate.

Many thanks all of you, I'll ckeck everything when I get home tonight.