Genealogy Chat

thanks for that ann. i am not sur where to start with that one the witnes on the marriage cert was a mary oneil . john did have a sister mary who was 2 years older than him perhaps this is her ? she married 5 years later in leigh lancs. the other witness was an edward lally or tally its hard to decipher the writing. i dont know who this was i think it could have been a friend of john and sarah who knows ? love linda x x

Have you thought who would have organised the wedding. My grandmother from Somerset married my grandfather from Gloucestershire in London as her mother had died and her eldest sister who was working in London organised the wedding. It took me ages to find.

thanks suzanne i have checked but no connection love linda x

Its funny you should mention Farnworth because when I was checking for the address on the 1901 site Thorne Street with an E came up in Farnworth? Suzanne

well i have bought my credits and had alook at the address on the 1901 census bu the people there are not connected. so i have emailed the local history archives for oldham to see if they could tell me who was the head of the household at the two address for the year before the year of the marriage and the year after. i dont know if they will do this for me ? where to now ? love linda x x

Finding aids exist: street indexes for all towns over 30k inhabitants, I think for every census. It would be worth Ancestry users plaguing Ancestry to acquire them. It's so easy at the FRC, I forget the difficulties Ancestry users have.

thanks for the advice i think grandma might have been a few months pregnant - naughty girl ! i will try the 1901 site. the reason i am so curious is john oneill came from an irish family his father was patrick oneill and i have no sighting of him before his marriage in farnworth bolton in 1872. i cant find out which patrick oneill he was on the 1871 i dont know when he came over from ireland i think he was born c1850 in galway ireland. but on the marriage caertificate of john oneill (patricks son ) one of the witness was mary oneil. now john did have a sister mary but i was wondering if they went to live with family in oldham and perhaps mary was some other relative ? if so then that could give me another lead to look into. Families who'd have them !! love linda x x

If you do search the official site it comes up Thorn without the E

You can do an address search on the offcial 1901 site but it cost to see the details Suzanne

Have you looked at the addresses on the censuses either side, to see what sort of households they were? Lots of boarders/multiple occupancy? Familiar names? Large houses needing servants? Young people would often travel to wherever there was work, later settling down in the home town again. That is probably the most prosaic answer: as censuses are only every ten years we don't see all the movement that often goes on. Alternatively, they may have paid rent for a few weeks in Oldham to get the banns called there, so nobody from home would know they were getting married. When was the eldest child born? Could they have been living together as man and wife before they sealed the knot?

hi i wonder if someone can point me in the right direction. i have my grandparents marriage cert 1896 and it gives their address as oldham. they both came from leigh lancs and on the 1891 and the 1901 they lived in leigh .i dont know what they were doing in oldham. the address for my grandad is 3 thorne street and my grandmas is 11 thorne street. i know electrol rolls will only show who is the head of the household. any ideas to find out how , when and why they both went to oldham. where can i look who can i ask ? love linda x