Genealogy Chat

Hello Old Crone, I posted a message regarding a phrase I have come across in some old records and wonder if you have come across it before. I have tried googling but can't find anything. The phrase (farm tenant records from the mid-1600's) next to the name of the tenant is 'the loer'. Many thanks

Now youve put it like that, I feel even more sure it must be 'louer' - the lessee.

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Many thanks to you both for your help, it's very much appreciated.

Sorry, I don't know the answer to this, but I would agree that it is probably an attempt at 'louer' or less-or, rather than less-ee. The ones I have seen around that time refer to 'incomer' and 'quit acre' and I think different Counties had different ways of wording these things. I will have a scrabble about and see if I can find anything! Olde Crone

Oh! SILLY OLDE CRONE! Is it I'o'er? If so, its shorthand for Incomer!!!! Olde Crone

Yes, I have checked a few Tenancies I have. Ingoer or Incomer is used to describe the ingoing tenant. The word is spelled in full the first time and then abbreviated to Ioer. Outgoer or quitter describes the one who is leaving, of course. Again, spelled in full the first time and then abbreviated to Oger or qter. This threw me the first time I saw it, as it looked as though the man's full name was John Oger - not what I was expecting at all! Are you seeing an image, or a transcription? Often the transcribers didnt know what they were reading and copied what they THOUGHT it said. Incidentally (and this will interest no-one but me!) I have Whittakers in my tree. The widely accepted origin of this name is a contraction of White acre. But one of the Tenancy agreements, a very old one, was between two men called John, neither of whom had a surname (14something). The ingoing John is desribed as John, Ingre (Ingoer) and the outgoing John is described as John, Quitakers. (Note the commas). I am now left with the intriguing idea that Whittaker is a corruption of Quit Acres. There, told you no-one would be interested! Olde Crone

Oh brilliant Old Crone.

Thank you very much Old Crone for your help on this - now it makes sense. I really appreciate your advice.

Saving (lots of farmers in Glos)...... Thanks, Pam

Thanks for that information, Olde Crone - may well come in useful in the future. Jay