Genealogy Chat

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Here is my dilemma... I have John Mark born around 1811 in Cumberland on the 1841 census along with his wife Elizabeth and children Joseph b1832 Margaret b1834 Mark b1837 John b1838 They are living in Brampton and all the children have been born there. John and Elizabeth had another child Robert Mark in 1844. Elizabeth died in 1846. John Mark (junior) went on to marry Margaret Batey in Brampton in 1863. Margaret was from Solport Cumberland. The only member of the family that I have managed to locate on both the 51 and 61 census is Joseph. No other members of the family seen to exist even though I know that John senior and John Junior were both definately living. I do not think that they left the area.... whats the chances of them not being on either census at all? It's driving me nuts.... Hope you can help. Kx

where does John Jnr give as his birthplace on census after marriage? ** did they really call their son Mark Mark????

1851 - any good ? John Mark abt 1812 Carlisle, Cumberland, England Head Barton on Humber St Peter Lincolnshire John Mark abt 1839 Werghton, Cumberland, England Son Barton on Humber St Peter Lincolnshire William Mark abt 1837 Werghton, Cumberland, England Son Barton on Humber St Peter Lincolnshire Ann Partee abt 1816 Wales Housekeeper Barton on Humber St Peter Lincolnshire John widowed occ ropemaker and this looks like the same John in 1861 - remarried ? Ann Mark abt 1816 Nth Wales, Barmouth, Wales Wife Great Grimsby Lincolnshire Ann E Mark abt 1855 Brigg, Lincolnshire, England Granddaughter Great Grimsby Lincolnshire John Mark abt 1812 Carkell, Cumberland, England Head Great Grimsby Lincolnshire William J Mark abt 1836 Newton, Cumberland, England Son Great Grimsby Lincolnshire Johns occupation Paper and bin house keeper

Alice - yes they did... I don't think he survived though. John Jnr went on to have a son also Mark Mark b1881 he was my gggrandfather! Elaine - John Jnr gives his birthplace on all future census's as Brampton. I have seen the family on the 51 you have noted and I can't claim them as mine as thre is no william on the 41 census and John Senior's occupation on John Jnr's marraige cert and 41 census states that he is a Cooper. I thought that they were mine when I first saw them....

Just thinking.... a Cooper is not the same as a Ropemaker is it?? Clutching at straws I know but desperate to find out where they are. Kx

Sadly no !! Cooper / Cuper Made or repaired vessels made of wooden staves & hoops, such as casks, barrels, tubs, etc.

I 'lost' two lots of my family for two census each, my Onions were mistranscribed as Aunions and Amons and my Tatlocks were Tetlow and Sukock although there was a James Tatlock brother living at the same address. thanks to the lovely people on the tips board I have found both families, try just a first name area and date of birth, or different spellings!! frustrating I know. Chris in OZ

From a slightly different angle, You say Mark mark may have died, but John mark Jnr deffo didnt as he was your GGGrandfather, with a Mark Mark, of his own were are they in 1901, can we try backwards and try and meet in the middle?

Thanks Alice... In 1901 John Jnr & family (inc Mark Mark!!) are @ Longtown Rd, Brampton, Cumberland In 1891 They are living at Low Cross St, Brampton, Cumberland In 1881 They are living at Currier Lane, Brampton, Cumberland In 1871 They are living at Old Chapel Lane, Brampton, Cumberland 61 & 51 Missing 1841 John Snr & family Brampton, Cumberland. Just thinking last night..... Brampton is only 20 miles from Scotland, I need to check that they are not in Scotland. Thanks for your interest. Kx