Genealogy Chat

The cert should solve the problem...good luck I was thinking you could put the Denton batch number CO05142 into the IGI search with Mary ****** and year 1811. And see if any of the surnames matches possible marriages to John. Then take plus and minus 2 years. Not proof, just desperate! Joan

Hi Joan Thanks....I've sent off for the William cert today so we'll see what that has to say for itself when it comes back. IF it comes back...the local RO are very good at referencing checking for me! The cert I have for Sarah Ann looks perfect in every respect....parents John and Mary, child is called Sarah Ann, even where the family are living is very near in 41 where 'my' family are in 1851. But John's occupation is stated as a Joiner, whereas on everything else (children's baptisms, Elizabeth's marriage cert, 51 census and his 1856 death cert) he is a Clogger. Son William seems to have taken over the family business as he's a Master Clogger in 1861 thru to his death in 1905. As I said earlier, I've traced the marriage of John the Joiner and Mary (nee Clough) to Manchester Cathedral in 1828 and Isobel has now kindly found that family on the 1841 census for me so I have them for future reference. I'll update the thread when the William cert does or doesn't arrive! Lou

Lou I see what you are up against now! I made the suggestion about the IGI in case you were newish to researching but you are obviously not that! Good luck...I don't think I can add anything...Joan

I should have added that the archivist at the local RO has advised me that the church the children were baptised at wasn't licenced for weddings until 1858 so John and Mary could have married at Manchester Cathedral or anywhere else in the district. And that's a lot of churches to choose from! There are 3 John Clegg to Mary marriages on IGI at the Cathedral (1831, 1832 and 1834) but without her maiden name, I'm still stuck! The John and Mary on the birth cert I have also married at the Cathedral but in 1828....that's a huge gap between a marriage and Elizabeth's birth and John's occupation isn't right! Lou

Hi Joan Well, you'll be sorry you asked.............lol! Elizabeth and William were born in Hyde, Cheshire. I have their baptisms but they're not on IGI. The church they were baptised at hasn't been filmed so I found them by trawling at the local RO. There were actually 2 Sarah Ann's, both born Ashton under Lyne, Lancashire. I have the baptism for the eldest one - 11 Aug 1841, she died 7 Sep 1842 and I have her burial record. All baptised same church which is not where the family were living but is in the town Mary gives as her birthplace so I suspect she had connections to the church. The 2nd Sarah Ann was born 1844. Her baptism is on IGI, LDS member submitted Aug 1844 but there is no trace of it at the RO and I checked 1843 to 1846. There are no gaps in the records so not sure where the member got it from. Cheshire BMD has 2 births for Sarah/Sarah Ann Clegg between 1840 and 1845. One doesn't have parents John and Mary, the other one does and I have the cert but it doesn't 'look right'. Freebmd has the following not on Cheshire BMD: Sarah Hannah (not unlike Ann) Mar 1840 Sarah Jun 1841 Sarah Sep 1842 Sarah Ann Mar 1845 I have had all those reference checked except Sarah Hannah and none have parents John and Mary. I can't look for the marriage till I have her maiden name....so I'm a bit stuck! Lou

Lou, I think that the IGI on familysearch might give you what you need...the baptisms and parents marriage will probably be there. Where does the census say William and Sarah Ann were born, and what are parents names and place of birth? Joan

Hi Merry I'd actually tried that first. I hate asking for a look up that involves more than one qtr cos I'm aware of the cost to other people. I'm hoping that this chap that Victor kindly confirmed for me turns out to the right one, otherwise I can conclude the children were never registered and I have to put plan B into action to try and find Mary's maiden name. Put them in a drawer and worry about them in 6mths............! Lou

Lou, For the future.....Don't forget you can view the vast majority of quarters that are not transcribed yet on FreeBMD, by going to their View Images secotion: On the search page, click ''Main Page'' at the bottom left.... Click ''View Images'' Fill in the boxes for the type of entry, year, quarter etc View your GRO page for FREE!! Unfortunately, 1839 births is one of the few years that isn't included on this system yet.....but it's good for most others. Best of Luck! Merry

Hi Victor Thanks a lot for that, that must be the one listed on Cheshire BMD so I'll get onto the local RO on Monday and ask them whether they'll cross check that for me against the info I have. Hi Nell I have Mary on the 41, 51 and 61 census....41 states born in county (Lancashire), the other 2 both say she was born Denton, Lancashire in 1811 My 3xgrandmother is the eldest child located so far for John and Mary. Elizabeth was born 6th Oct 1836 and baptised 27 March 1837. Lou

What is 4 x grandmother's first name? Where and when does she say she was born? Is this consistent on all censuses? nell

Lou There is only one listed in 1839 in the areas you gave. Clegg William Quarter :- Mar 1839 District :- Stockport Volume :- XIX Page :- 256 Hope this is of some help. Victor

So far I've had 3 certs reference checked for Sarah Ann but the parents don't match and I have one that has parents John and Mary but I'm dubious about it cos the occupation for John is wrong. So I'm going to try and find William to see how his cert compares to the one I have. Now comes the big ask! There is one birth on Cheshire BMD for William CLEGG born Hyde (birth would have either been registered Stockport or Ashton under Lyne depending on which end of Hyde they lived in) in 1839 but on there you don't get the quarter. Would anyone mind please checking the whole of 1839 for William Clegg's in those reg areas? I know its a lot to ask but 1837online is the one site I'm unable to buy credits for as they don't accept the card I have. I'm coming to the conclusion that the children were never registered but I have to be sure. Thanks a lot Lou

I'm struggling to find a maiden name for my 4xgrandmother. I have the family on the 1851 census and they have 2 children with them born inside civil reg, William aged 11 and Sarah Ann aged 7. Info below............