Genealogy Chat

Hi folks can I have your thoughts on whether I should go with this IGI entry? See next message Sylvia

It's an Individual Record with no source information....Jennet and martha both appear as names of Simon's grandchildren in the census IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0 Simon Smyth Event(s): Birth: About 1780 Amroth, Pembroke, Wales Christening: Death: 25 NOV 1865 Parents: Father: Thomas Smyth Mother: Martha Evans Marriages: Spouse: Jane Davies Marriage: 17 SEP 1807 +another marriage..... Spouse: Jennet Jennet Birth: About 1800 Aberystwyth, , Pembroke, Wales Marriage: About 1818 Aberystwyth, , Pembroke, Wales

This is where Jennet comes from: Father: Simon Smyth, Mother: Jennet Exact Spelling: Off [refine search] Prepare selected records for download International Genealogical Index / British Isles - 11 Select records to download - (50 maximum) 1. MARY SMITH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 04 APR 1819 Amroth, Pembroke, Wales 2. JOHN SMITH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 24 OCT 1825 Amroth, Pembroke, Wales 3. JAMES SMITH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 02 JAN 1823 Amroth, Pembroke, Wales 4. FRANCES SMITH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 09 SEP 1821 Amroth, Pembroke, Wales 5. ROBERT SMITH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 27 DEC 1822 Amroth, Pembroke, Wales 6. Frances Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1821 Amroth Green, , Pembroke, Wales 7. Mary Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Birth: 1819 Aberystwyth, , Pembroke, Wales 8. John Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1825 Amroth Green,Amroath, , Pembroke, Wales 9. James Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1822 Amroth Green,Amroath, , Pembroke, Wales 10. Robert Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1822 Amroth Green,Amroath, , Pembroke, Wales 11. Simon Smith - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Birth: 1818 Aberystwyth, , Pembroke, Wales

It's a good hint that there's a death record for that date, and a marriage record for that date. Pity it doesn't give the places. If you find those two records, you'll have to make your own mind up whether they relate to the same person. The submitter thinks so, but that's not evidence. You'll also have to make your own mind up about the date and place of birth, parents, and the second marriage. Again, you're looking at somebody's conclusions, you're not looking at transcriptions of actual records

As there is also this entry: 29. JINNET SMITH - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 24 MAR 1815 Amroth, Pembroke, Wales as a daughter of Simon and Jane, I suspect there was possibly only one marriage, but you need to lock yourself away and look carefully at all the dates to work out if it was feasible, and to be sure that there was only one Simon involved.

This entry, again submitted by a member, is clearly not a copy of a baptismal entry: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Smith Male -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: 24 OCT 1825 Amroth Green, Amroth, Pembroke, Wales Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: Simon Smyth Family Mother: Jane Davies The dates seem pretty well established, but you do need to look at the original registers, particularly the burial registers, to pick up as many details as you can.

Hmm there seem to be 2 entries for John born 1825.. one mother as Jane Davies, the other as Jennet? If they are the same person, where did the other marriage for Jennet (1818) come from? Oh dear like you say, I have a bit of work to do on this one Sylvia

the submitter hasn't found a record of a second marriage, since he hasn't got a date or the wife's maiden surname. He may have just assumed the second marriage from the mother's name being Jennet not Jane on the later baptisms. Not a safe assumption. Though people do sometimes marry two wives with the same name anyway. If they're all Jane's kids, there should be some earlier ones, from 1807 onwards. And there's an interesting problem with the two christenings 6 days apart

I'm in New Zealand so the original registers are not an option unfortunately

Just a thought about the Aberystwyth marriage to Jennet 1818, and not knowing much about the geography of Wales, why should Simon suddenly go there to marry when the Smiths lived for generations, born, married and died, in Amroth? Very odd

Looking at the entries for Mary b1818 and Simon b 1819 in Aberystwyth..I think these are a different family. On the 1861 census for Simon he has a son Simon born 1811, Amroth. Ok I think I've got it straight now..thanks folks Sylvia

It looks as if at least three or four family members have been submitting information. This explains why the mother's occasionally varies. The sorts of detail that would be useful to know are: Is Jennett a variation of Jane in that area? Is the same vicar recording all the baptisms? Without access to the originals there is no way you can be certain. All you can tell is that two researchers have come to different conclusions. It may be that someone has found Simon and Jennett in 1841 or 1851, but until you find a second marriage this must all be speculation.