Genealogy Chat

Victor / Carol Thanks for the replies. These are helpful, and I guess I need to have another trawl through the Census' The marriage cert doesnt say deceased (but I have others that do) - I just wondered if it didnt say deceased then was it 90% certain that he was still alive - clearly not! I guess I need to find a birth certificate for George - that may crack this open. Thanks Again ... P

Paula Here is the family listing from 1891. William Grubb Head 45 Boat Maker born Tewksbury Harriett Wife 41 born Tewksbury Annie E Daughter 21 born Press worker Buttons Tewksbury Frank E Son 14 Born Birmingham Bedstead Worker Kate E Daughter 16 born Birmingham Bedstead Warehouse Worker Maud M Daughter 14 born Birmingham Press Worker Clara J Daughter 11 born Birmingham Alice Daughter 9 born Birmingham Charles Son 7 born Birmingham George S 6 Son born Birmingham Harriett Daughter 3 born Birmingham Ethel B Daughter 1 born Birmingham Living at 1 Court 1 House Aston. Victor

Paula This from the 1891 census Name: Grubb, George S Age: 6 Estimated birth year: abt 1885 Relation: Son Gender: Male Where Born: Birmingham, Birmingham Civil parish: Aston Ecclesiastical parish: St Basil Town: Deritend County/Island: Warwickshire Source information: RG12/2403 Registration district: Aston Sub registration district: Deritend ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Folio: 16 Page: 28 GSU Number: 6097513 Father William. Is this of any help? Victor

If it said deceased you could be pretty sure he was (though people do lie if say he wouldnt give permission). Trouble is I have some marriage certs where the father is definitely dead but isnt shown as such on the cert. The fact that they married in a Methodist church would seem more likely they actually attended it as parishoners (rather than going to any C of E church to marry). So I would think that the family would have been known and hence the fathers condition! PS I have some Welsh border Grubbs.

Paula This could be Mary A 1901 Wales Census Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Save This Elizabeth Brewer abt 1823 Wellington, Somerset, England Daughter Rhymney Monmouthshire Mary A Brewer abt 1886 Rhymney, Monmouthshire, Wales Niece Rhymney Monmouthshire William Brewer abt 1855 Moseley, Yorkshire, England Head Rhymney Monmouthshire Elizabeth is Aunt not Daughter Victor

If the father is stated as alive or dead at time of marriage depends on what the bride and groom told the registrar. I dont think that the registrar always asked if the father was still alive. You may already have this from the 1901 Wales Charles Dobbs abt 1874 St Mellons, Cornwall, England Boarder Pontypridd Glamorgan Thomas Dobbs abt 1859 Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire, England Boarder Pontypridd Glamorgan George Grubb abt 1883 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Pontypridd Glamorgan Mary Grubb abt 1844 Wellington, Herefordshire, England Head Pontypridd Glamorgan Thomas Grubb abt 1882 Walsall, Staffordshire, England Son Pontypridd Source information: RG13/5002 Registration district: Pontypridd Sub-registration district: Llanwonno ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Folio: 175 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 55

Paula Yes William would have died before the marriage if it say's Deceased on the certificate. Victor

Hi All I have just received a Marriage Cert, for my Gt.Gt.Grandparents, with the aim of tracing my Gt.Gt.Gt Grandfather. George Grubb (age 26) marries Mary Ann Brewer (age 22) at Blaina Methodist Church, South Wales in October 1909. George's Father is down as William Grubb, Railway Plate Layer. If he was dead at this time would this show on the cert (i.e have deceased in brackets) ?? I am confident that these are indeed my Gt.Gt and GT.Gt.GT Grandfathers (we have confirmed my Gt.Gt. Grandmothers details). The problem is I cannot find any concrete evidence for George or William in any of the census' There are two possible Georges but none tat I can connect to a William. Any suggestions ????