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CORRECTION CORRECTION CORRECTION CORRECTION Manchester crimes prior to 1839 were dealt with by The Salford One Hundred Quarter Sessions and NOT the Lancashire QS as I wrote previously. Ged

Have you looked at the Australian databases to see if they can offer any clues? eg http://proarchives.imagineering.*com.au (remove *) Unassisted Immigration to Victoria Index of Inward Passenger Lists for British, Foreign and New Zealand Ports 1852-1923 Family Name First Name Age Month Year Ship Port Fiche Page HOWARTH JOHN A JAN 1853 CONDOR B 027 003 They also have: VPRS 110/P0 Register of Convicts, c1838-1852 but you have to navigate the images yourself. You can also view the images of VPRS 10867 P0 Alphabetical Index to Central Register of Male Prisoners (VA 1464) Penal and Gaols Branch, Chief Secretary's Department online, but 'alphabetical' is relative - it's just the first initial of the surname, after that it could be anywhere within H! This might be useful: http://www.nla.gov.au/pathways/jnls/newsite/browse/geoghist.html I know you're looking for stuff in UK, but there may be clues in the Australian records. Christine

You get a lot of hits on A2A if you put 'John Howarth' into the search box and specify NW England. The first lot are all Salford - i.e. v close to Manchester. May not all be the same person, of course. The problem is that there are refs to a John Howarth being prosecuted after your cut-off date. There are also refs to a John Howarth who was a Constable. Here's an example opf a promising one: LANCASHIRE COUNTY QUARTER SESSIONS Catalogue Ref. Q Creator(s): Lancashire Quarter Sessions PETITIONS Salford: Easter 1841 - ref. QSP/3147 FILE - Deposition: Information of John Howarth of Manchester, warehouseman, re whereabouts of Herman Korhammer, witness in above case against Joseph Tootal and others - ref. QSP/3147/251 - date: 1841 12 Apr Christine

I had a look under 'John Howarth' on the Docs Online site. http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchives.gov.uk Do you think this might be relevant? (I've put in some extra 'returns' so that you can see the different areas represented.) Description Southampton - Frederick Barnes ; Hereford - James Jay ; Hertford - Samuel Veasey ; Huntingdon - John Serjeant ; Kent - George Claridge , Edwin Beresford Dawes , Moulton Messiter , William Nash Ottaway ; Lancaster - George Eccles Ashley , James Barratt the younger, John Baron Bowker , Thomas Percival Bunting , William Elletson , George Frederick Fairclough , Robert Bonny Fisher , Edmund Hardman , John Howarth the younger, Charles Fumer Rhodes , Eaton Smith , William Smith ; Leicester - John Clarke , Henry Russell Hurst , Richard Luck , William Palmer. Date 1832 Catalogue reference C 202/221/19links to the Catalogue Dept Records created, acquired, and inherited by Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal Household, Exchequer and various commissions Division Records of the Petty Bag Office Series Chancery: Petty Bag Office: Writ Files Image contains 1 document scanned of many for this catalogue reference It would cost £3.50 to get the 4-page pdf file to see if it's really relevant. Christine

If court records from 1837 have survied you will need to know where he was convicted as it may not have been in the County of Lancashire. Manchester Quarter Sessions were not granted untill 1st April 1839.Prior to that Manchester crimes were dealt with by Lancashire Quarter Sessions. Ged

Have discovered Hanson arrived as a convict in 1837 on the John II. I would like to find out about is court records. Vickie

I would like any information about the marriage and family of John and Maria Howarth. Know child John Hanson Howarth born 1815, his Australian death certificate says he was born in Manchester. He came to Australia c1852 as he married here in 1853. Thanks Vickie