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Hi, I ordered my grandads birth certificate to find out his parents names. Is it possible to find out the parents names without ordering certificates. I know my grandad had a sister, but not sure of many details on her.
Thanks
Samantha

When was your grandad born? You'll find his mother's maiden name from his birth registration assuming he was born after 1911, and may be able to trace his parents' marriage, depending on how unusual the surnames are. Could you post the details you have? Sure someone will be able to help.

Hi Lindy
My grandad is Ronald Nye born 30/1/1914 in Brentford/Acton.
His parents are Thomas Nye and Alice/Agnes Bills.
I know my grandads sister is Gladys and is older than him, thats all.

I believe Ronald and Gladys' parents got married in 1896 in Camberwell. There is quite a gap between this and my grandad being born.

Their marriage:

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
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Bills Agnes Alice Camberwell 1d 874a
NYE Thomas Joseph Camberwell 1d 874a

Could this be Gladys's birth? It's the only one I could find in Camberwell - they could have been living elsewhere of course. Just having a look on the 1901 census.

Births Jun 1902 (>99%)
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NYE Gladys Mary E Camberwell 1d 905

Births Jun 1873 (>99%)
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BILLS Alice Agnes Hoo 2a 418


Births Mar 1872 (>99%)
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NYE Thomas Joseph Medway 2a 473

Hi Lindy, thankyou so much for helping,
I keep coming across this record.
I don't know if you know west london at all but, ealing/acton and brentford are all connected to eachother. As my grandads certificate says brentford and the family living in Ealing, I'm swaying to this.
Its just I was led to believe Ronald and Gladys were close in age.
Then again, you learn alot doing this.

Gladys Daisy Nye
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Brentford
County: Middlesex

Samantha

Hi Samantha,

EDIT: Thread progressed (a LOT) while I was drafting, so some of the following is now irrelevant, sorry).

it's not until you get into the era covered by publically available census data that you can find out names of parents and siblings without obtaining certs, so you may have to wait until 2011 or 2021 to get the chance to find out about his sister. :-(

So, for now, until you can get to a pre-1901 birth of an ancestor it's going to be certificates all the way.

Can you fill us in on how you arrived at which birth certificate to order? For instance, do you have his marriage cert in your possession, to cross-check names, ages, places against the birth cert?

How much of what you have at the moment is based on family memory?

And (semi-rhetorical - don't reply to this one if you don't want to) how come family memory doesn't extend as far as detail like his sister's name?



Mark

Living with the in-laws and no children in 1901:

1901 England Census
about Thomas Nye
Name: Thomas Nye
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's Name: Agnes
Gender: Male
Where born: Rochester, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Stoke
Ecclesiastical parish: Stoke St Peter
Town: Stoke
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hoo
Sub-registration district: Hoo
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 155
Household Members: Name Age
Christopher Bills 56
Francis Bills 46
May Bills 13
Winnie Bills 4
Agnes Nye 28
Thomas Nye 29
Bessie Page 18

You seemed to have pulled out the same births for the parents as me, so I guess I am on the right track : )

Hi Mark, good questions. My dad tends to tell me so much, say thats all he knows then come out with something new later on. This is how I first found out about Gladys, I then checked with an aunt, who confirmed this.
From what I have been told my grandad left home at a young age, i think his father was abusive. This is how no one knows much.

I knew my grandads birth date and name. I also was told he grew up around Ealing. Looking at the records this was the only one that came up each time I looked, so I ordered it.

I don't even have details of my grandparents wedding yet. My family seem to forget things so easily.

This looks like your grandfather's death reg:

England & Wales, Death Index: 1984-2005
about Ronald Thomas Nye
Name: Ronald Thomas Nye
Birth Date: 30 Jan 1914
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1993
Age at death (estimated): 79
Registration district: Wandsworth
Inferred County: London
Register number: A82A
Entry Number: 8

Thankyou Lindy. I think I'll just order that certificate for Gladys in Brentford and hope for the best. I think I'm gonna badger my uncle and aunt more on my GP's wedding. They are older then my dad, they may know more or even hold the certifcate now my GP's are gone.

Samantha

Hi Sam,

if your family has lost GP's marriage cert then DO still make a point of ordering it as they are packed with all sorts of small clues which can lead somewhere.

Addresses of each partner at time of marriage, occupation details (to compare against family memory); which church/parish they married at, father's names.

Best of all - witnesses. I found an unheard-of brother of a g-gf on one I bought.


Remember that light colour shading on freeBMD signifies gaps in the records and all you have is (possibly) a coincidental name match on both marriage partners. Use all the peripheral cert info to see if the picture fits the family memory and the census finds.



Mark

Thanks Mark, I have emailed both my aunt and uncle to see what they know. Also I have asked them if they now hold any certificates. When my GP's died everyone went in like gannets and took what they could. We got what was left, so nothing in the sense of photos or records.

I'll wait for the replies and then see about ordering it if not. I have assumed they were married!

samantha

Hi Samantha,

If you're very lucky, then several of the people who snaffled up all the old photos and collections of letters are also in possession of a computer, a scanner and are able to email things to you.

In my opinion, it is the *content* of the photos and letters which is important (packed with useful and unexpected clues), not who is in possession of the original at any given moment.

I also think it is important that the originals are only ever passed around by hand, from person to person and never sent through the post.

It's only after an original photo has been creased and cracked that you realise the negatives are long-since lost.


regards,


Mark

Thankyou Mark,
In the way of photos I have been very lucky with my grandmothers side. I have also had a reply today from my aunt, who does have the wedding certificate of my grandparents and she is going to send me a copy ( by email or post not sure, she's 70, doesn't know how to use the bits attached the her PC and lives in the USA) It could be a while before I see it lol.

I have a feeling, my aunt has all the good stuff now.
In the next couple of years I should visit her and see what she's got.

I don't think anyone will have anything to do with my GF parents, but someone may surprise me.
I have put threads on trying to find his sister's family. This I hope one day will open up a new page in my family history.

Samantha

Hi Samantha,

That was a piece of luck with your auntie having the original marriage cert.

It sounds like she's sending you a photocopy by post, which should have shown up by now, if she used airmail. Surface mail (i.e. by ship) is less expense but takes about two weeks.

It's a pity she's not particularly comfortable with all the various computer gadgets. If she has a big pile of photos to send to you as well then it's just a matter of persuading her that understanding how to work the scanner and attach pictures to emails could save her a bundle on photo reprints and postage.

Also, if she absolutely hates typing out emails, then why not suggest she write letters by hand, scan them and email the images, if that would be quicker?


Best of luck with the next stage of your research!



Mark