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Possible births for the first two:

Esther Adelaide 1904

Sidney George 1904
Sidney Walter 1906
Sydney Edward 1908
George Sidney 1908

All of these reg'd in Greenwich

Looks like Queenie Watkins became Queenie McQueenie!

Marriages Jun 1935

McQueenie Bernard R Watkins Greenwich 1d 2195
Watkins Queenie M McQueenie Greenwich 1d 2195

Here's the link for the commemoration certificate:

http://www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=2761365

Snap!

Here's the twin who died in the war:

WATKINS, ALFRED ERNEST
Initials: A E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force
Unit Text: 83 Sqdn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 22/01/1944
Service No: 518019
Son of Sidney Horace and Esther Hetty Watkins; husband of Violet Elizabeth Watkins, of Birchills, Walsall, Staffordshire.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 1. H. 14.
Cemetery: BERLIN 1939-1945 WAR CEMETERY

From the CWGC site it appears that Alfred Ernest Watkins was the twin who died in WW2, as it states he was the son of Sidney Horace & Esther Hetty Watkins, he was also married and had a wife called Violet.

Carolyn

From FreeBMD:

Births Jun 1913
Watkins Queenie M Hayes Greenwich 1d 2035

Births Sep 1915
Watkins Alfred E Hayes Greenwich 1d 1829
Watkins Horace J Hayes Greenwich 1d 1829

Births Mar 1920
Watkins Millicent G Hayes Greenwich 1d 2632

So the twins don't have the names we thought.

I changed the other person to Esther because of that.

Got Mr, Mrs, Esther 6, Sidney 3, Maud 5, George 10 months

Not sure it's the correct family.

Here's the family you found in the 1891

Esther Hayes
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Edward
Gender: Female
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Greenwich
County/Island: London
Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich West

Edward Hayes 36
Esther Hayes 30
Edward Hayes 10
Ester Hayes 7
Katharine Hayes 4
Susan Hayes 1

Remember on the marriage reference that SYdney is spelt with a Y not an I.

Kath. x

Hmm! Parents are very unhelpfully listed as Mr and Mrs!!

Greenwich - but I searched with Sidney also in the household. Could be brother rather than father I suppose.

On the 1911 census there is a Hetty Watkins age 30 living in Poplar. Not sure if this could be the one. Where is the daughter living in the 1911 census?

Kath. x

Kath,
Have you looked on the 1911 index? I can only find the daughter Esther.
Janice

This is the only Esther Hayes I can see who isn't married and is living in Greenwich in the 1901 census (you would still need the marriage certificate to be sure that the father's name matches):-

Name: Esther Hayes
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Esther
Gender: Female
Where born: Lewisham, London, England
Civil parish: Greenwich
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 31 Morden Street

Occupation: Daily Domestic

Condition as to marriage: single

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Greenwich West
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 182
Household Members:
Name Age

Edward Hayes 41
Esther Hayes 39
Esther Hayes 19
Kate Hayes 14
Susan Hayes 11
Harry Hayes 4 weeks

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 538; Folio: 51; Page: 28.

Kath. x

Do you have your grandparent's marriage certificate? If not this is the reference to order it. This will give you Esther's approximate age and also hopefully her father's name and occupation which will help to find them in the census (note that your grandfather's name is spelt SYDNEY and not SIDNEY):-

Name: Sydney Watkins
Year of Registration: 1904
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Greenwich
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1996

Kath. x

Hi Linda,
How far have you got? Is there anything we can look up for you?
Janice

Hi Joan i know it's a bit late saying thankyou for the encouragement, this family tree business is very nice but it can be a bit daunting at times. Once again thanks fro the encouragement . Linda

Hi Linda,
thats lovely for you, when i found my grandmother i was really excited i didn't even know her name, good luck in finding out more.

I have found out that Esther Hetty Hayes was my Maternal Grandmother, she married my Granfather Sidney Watkins in 1904, they had six chilldren , thy're names were Sidney jnr, Esther , Queenie, John who served in the navy in the second world war and his twin brother Timothy who served in the R.A.F. during the second world war and unfortunately was killed fighting for his country. I am in the process of fing out about my FAMILY ANCESTRY, and would dearly like to know more about Esther Hetty Hayes Married Name Esther Hetty Watkin, from Linda Thanks.