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my grandmother was born 1880 in sandbach,cheshire. she and my grandfather never married .My grandmothers name was Annie Newton,and my mothers nsame was Elsie Newton and she was born in 1909, in sandbach.
I never have been able to find his name, and have longed for the longest time to know who he was.
Can anybody help me with this problem ????? PLEASE

If his name wasn't on the birth certificate then there is not a lot of hope in finding his name....At best you could only guess.

Hi Sheila,
This could be Elsies' birth record;
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Births Dec 1909

NEWTON Elsie Congleton 8a 277
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Sandbach is a district of Congleton, situated about 5 miles east of Congleton.

The birth cert should give her fathers name..

I've had a look on the 1911 census for you;
This is the closest in birth date & location for Elsie;

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
NEWTON, WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED M 27 COAL LOADER UNDERGROUND FENTON STAFFORDSHIRE
NEWTON, ALICE WIFE MARRIED 7 F 27 FENTON STAFFS
NEWTON, SARAH ANN DAUGHTER F 6 FENTON STAFFS
NEWTON, GLADYS DAUGHTER F 5 FENTON STAFFS
NEWTON, ELSIE DAUGHTER F 3 FENTON STAFFS
NEWTON, ADA DAUGHTER F 1 FENTON STAFFS

NEWTON ELSIE (RG14PN16584 RG78PN1024 RD361 SD3 ED14 SN109)
Address 49 JERVIS ST FENTON STOKE-ON-TRENT County Staffordshire
District Stoke upon Trent Subdistrict Fenton
Enumeration District 14 Parish Fenton

But they may have lived with him under his surname.
Obtaining the birth cert will either affirm or dismiss this family.

Regards,
Steve.

Hi Sheila,
Having looked at this again in the cold light of day. I don't think the 1911 census entry above is your Elsie.

This entry is much more likely to be her. But her father isn't shown as a member of the household. This Elsie is shown living with her Auntie & Uncle.

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
NEWTON, DAVID HEAD MARRIED M 60 GARDENER DOMESTIC CHESHIRE SANDBACH
NEWTON, ELIZA WIFE MARRIED 40 F 60 CHESHIRE SANDBACH
NEWTON, ELIZA DAUGHTER SINGLE F 32 BOOT MACHINIST CHESHIRE SANDBACH
NEWTON, MARY JANE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 28 PAPER BAG MAKER CHESHIRE SANDBACH
NEWTON, FRANK SON SINGLE M 22 WIRE WORKER CHESHIRE SANDBACH
NEWTON, ELSIE NIECE ...................................................... F ....... 1 ................... CHESHIRE SANDBACH

NEWTON ELSIE (RG14PN21747 RG78PN1296 RD448 SD3 ED14 SN211)
Address 24 BRADWALL STREET SANDBACH County Cheshire
District Congleton Subdistrict Sandbach
Enumeration District 14 Parish Sandbach


Regards,
Steve.

Hi Sheila,
There is also another birth record for a Elsie Newton.

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Births Mar 1910

NEWTON Elsie Congleton 8a 373
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This Elsie is unlikely to be the one your looking for. As this one ties in well with this 1911 census entry;

Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born:
NEWTON, WILLIAM H HEAD MARRIED M 28 BRICKLAYERS LABOURER SANDBACH
NEWTON, EDNA WIFE MARRIED 4 F 29 KENT GREEN
NEWTON, HENRY SON M 4 SANDBACH
NEWTON, ELSIE DAUGHTER F 1 SANDBACH

NEWTON ELSIE (RG14PN21745 RG78PN1296 RD448 SD3 ED12 SN184)
Address 38 UNION ST SANDBACH County Cheshire
District Congleton Subdistrict Sandbach
Enumeration District 12 Parish Sandbach


This means that the 1st birth registry I posted, ties in well with the 1911 census record I posted today at 15:12.

Regards,
Steve.

Hi Sheila
do you know when your grandparents actually got together. There is a Annie Newton on the 1901 census born 1879(i know its one year out, but you know how the census can be) and she is living with a William Houghton who it says is her spouse, in cheshire

This is the same family in the 1901 census & this shows they have a daughter Annie...........This would mean that Elsie is actually David & Elizas' granddaughter.

Name: David Newton
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza
Gender: Male
Where born: Sandbach, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Sandbach
Ecclesiastical parish: Sandbach St Mary
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street Address: ........Bradwell St (no household Nos shown)
Occupation:...............Agricultural Labourer.
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image
Registration district: Congleton
Sub-registration district: Sandbach
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members: Name Age
David Newton 50..........born abt 1851
Eliza Newton 50..........born abt 1851
Elizabeth E Newton 27... born abt 1874.......Occupation Boot Machinist
Eliza Newton 22...............born abt 1879.......Occupation Boot Machinist
Annie Newton 20...............born abt 1881.......Occupation Boot Machinist
Mary J Newton 18...............born abt 1883.......Paper bag maker
Alice Newton 15...............born abt 1886.......Occupation Boot Machinist
Frank Newton 12...............born abt 1889

Regards,
Steve.

I believe this is Annies' birth registration.

Name: Annie Newton
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Congleton
County: Cheshire, Staffordshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 280

There are no other Annie Newtons born in the Congleton district in 1880 +/- 5yrs

Regards,
Steve