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I,m starting my family tree again and ive just been looking at my grandparents divorce paper,my grandfather said the child my g,mother was having was,nt his ,how can i find out if she had the child and what happen to her,have my g,mothers death cert she died in 1932 age 65,and she was 23 when they married and the divoice was in 1904 so she would have been 33 when she was having this child,thank you for any help given
Dutch

Have you found your grandmother on 1911 census.?
If she kept the child, one would think that they perhaps lived in the same house, so mother and child might show together.

As a married woman, the child would normally take that surname, whether or not your grandfather was actually the father.
The natural father may also have gone to register the child though, in which case the couple could have presented themselves as married, and the child given that man's surname.

Finding them in 1911 would be the key, I think.


Gwyn

Hi Gwyn ,no i have,nt looked on the 1911 census ,she has different address than my g,father 23 Action st Kings Cross,my g,father got custody of all the children from there marriage.and thank you will try to have alook
Dutch

Is this the Malcolm Bonner Morgan who married a Helen M. Tyler in the March quarter of 1892?
I cannot see a Helen Morgan of the right age on the 1911 census, but there is a Helen Mary Tyler born 1866 living in Sheffield. Is there a Sheffield connection?
Marilyn

Hi Marilyn
i have her birth cert she was born in The ret dist of Charlton and sub dist of Hulme county of Lancaster on 30th april 1868,mother was Annie Mclaughlin and father ,William Tyer he was in Hussars,cant understand the writing as its scrolled in ink

That sounds like Chorlton, which I'm pretty sure is a subsection of Manchester.

I can't seem to find her on 1911 census. Was she still using the surname Morgan at the time of her death or did she revert to Tyler? What is the place of death on the death certificate? Sometimes it is difficult to find people on the 1911 census because of mistranscriptions, but I will have another look,
Marilyn

this is on her death cert
2nd july 1932 ,New End Hospital,Helen Morgan age 65,of
90 Levin road,Streatham ,widow er of Malcolm Bonner Morgan ,accountant
K.M Morgan ,present at death ,son
4 Pennbury Road,Westcliffe -on -sea
and shes buried with her ex-husband and one of there daughters in New Southgate
regt dist Hampstead,County of London

So if she was carrying at the time of their divorce then the child will have been registered soon after or in the early part of the next year.have you checked births in her surname and her maiden name just in case she didnt want the child to have her ex husbands surname.
I would recommend checking the 1911 census for her

Where and when was Helen born ?

Gwyn

Still can't find Helen on 1911 census, but have found her husband. As I suspected we have a mistranscription. He is down as Malesdon, instead of Malcolm, Bonner Morgan. He has Helen May and Kenneth Malesdon (presumably Malcolm) with him and also Andrew Bennett Morgan and Louisa, who I assume are his parents. They are living in Edmonton. Will keep looking for Helen
Marilyn

Just to help a little...I have been looking up Dutchs grandfathers military records...and found something which may clarify!

will run it past Dutch first though...

I have a possible address for 1920 so will tell Dutch and see what she makes of it all

just athought but on her birthcert shes Ellen born april 1868 in Chorlton,Hulme ,Lancaster and my grandfather he had his two sons with him,Malcolm and Herbert (my dad) Helen and Winnifred with with there grandparents Andrew and Louisa ,in Harringay

can anyone please look up census address in GT Yarmouth