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but I have a genealogical question.

I have the death certificate of a John Coker who died 8th Feb 1856 1 Richardsons Buildings, St Lukes, London aged 43.

On Ancestry, there is a John Coker buried at not far off St Mary Haggerston 17th Feb 1856 aged 43 but his address is given as Hatfield Street.

There's only one John Coker dying in London in March qtr 1856 so it has to be the same bloke doesn't it?

Maybe one is place of death and one is his home address?

Have you checked to see how many John Cokers are in that area on the 1851 cencus ? If your man is the only likely one in the area I would assume it is indeed the same chap .

I have a couple of ancestors who were obviously nursed at a rellies home and died there but lived elsewhere. Could that be the explanation. Is the informant an ancestor you know of?

Sue xx

Hello Ladykira:)

He died at the Richardons Buildings address and that was his address also according to the death cert and they lived there when their son was baptised a year earlier. Bit odd really. I do wonder if Richardsons Buildings may have been in Hatfield Street but haven't found anything googling yet. And then also you wouldn't call St Luke's and Haggerston the same place...

I'm with Ladykira on this one Uggers.

I have a similar thing with my dad.

His place of death is different to his address.

Claire xxxx

Hello gels:)) We were all adding at the same time:)

Amanda, there are four John Cokers born 1811-1817 on the 1851 in the City or East London and I know mine moved over in c1852.

Sue, I have never worked out who the informant was but she was present at the death....isn't a relation that I know of

Uggers...........unless there was another John Coker who died at more or less the same time as your one in more or less the same area , then he must be your chap . Are there other deaths at the same time with the same name ?

Looking the informant up on the Census may give you a clue unless she has a very common name. I've been lucky with informants in that I've found out who daughters have married by their names on the certificates.

Sue xx

A death cert is registered in the district the death took place so that can mean they are not buried in that district they will be buried in the district to where they lived.

So that could be why you have 2 different addresses

Thanks all, I think it must be him:)

Sue, I'd forgotten I now can use Ancestry to suss who the informant is - I'm sure it's not a daughter but I might be able to suss her out now:))

Let us know Uggers - I'd be interested to know if you've found out anything new.

Sue xx

Can't find the buildings on my old maps bit it may be worth looking here:

http://booth.lse.ac.uk/cgi-bin/do.pl?sub=search_catalogue_pages&arg0=hatfield+street&arg1=and

if you haven't already.

Thanks Sue - it's a bit of a necessity for those of us with London ancestors but I couldn't find Richardsons Buildings on it.

St Luke's is around the Old Street area and St Marys Haggerstone is a parish of Shoreditch around Haggerstone road. Hatfield street does not exist any more.

lol Uggers, that was subtle :-))
I can only find this: 1831

RICHARDS Buildings is in 1. Shoe Lane, Fleet Street, the third turning on the right hand side from St. Andrews Church. 2. Is in Cherry Tree Court, Golden Lane, a few houses on the right from it.

But no RichardSONS

I think that it is the same person and, perhaps, that the address changed.

I see two Hatfield Streets here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/lon-str.html#HOME

Hatfield Street, Christ Church, ST SAVIOUR [1862]
Hatfield Street, St Thomas, HOLBORN [1862]

Thanks both:)

Sue, that subtlety must have been a mistake lol. That's not the right direction for St Luke's from Holborn but it definitely is RichardsONS Buildings from the death cert and a son's baptism.

Either way though if there is only one John Coker registered as dying in Mar qtr 1856 in the whole city, he's the right age and his death is 9 days before the burial and Haggerston is only a walk NE, it *has* to be him doesn't it?

Ah Joy thank you, I'd forgotten about that site - so that would place Hatfield Street and Richardsons Buildings both in Holborn district - nice:)))