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hi everyone, im trying to locate the clift family , i have florence lillian clift born 1901 islington london , and her brother thomas .p.clift born city london , and i know thier parents thomas phillip clift and florence .l. ? both born clerkenwell london , 1879 and 1880 , but they dissappear im not sure of florences maiden name and thomas is nowhere on the 1891 nor 1881 (lds) any help or suggestion would be good , many thanks in advance lee

hi this looks like your family in 1901
1901 census

Address 44 Payne St
Civil Parish Islington
Rural District
Town or Village or Hamlet
Ecclesiastical Parish All Saints Islington
Parliamentary Borough or Division Islington So Div
County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Islington
Administrative County London
Householder 1
Name Florence L Clift
Relation to Head of Family Wife
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 21
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation Shirt Ironer
Employment Status
Where Born London Clerkenwell
Language
Infirmity
Householder 2
Name Florence L S Clift
Relation to Head of Family Daughter
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 0
Sex Female
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London City
Language
Infirmity
Householder 3
Name Thomas P Clift
Relation to Head of Family Son
Condition as to Marriage
Age Last Birthday 1
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation
Employment Status
Where Born London City
Language
Infirmity
Householder 4
Name Thomas P Clift
Relation to Head of Family Head
Condition as to Marriage Married
Age Last Birthday 22
Sex Male
Profession or Occupation Horse Keeper
Employment Status
Where Born London Clerkenwell
Language
Infirmity

hi polly poppet , yes i had found them on the 1901 too , but cant find anything any earlier... mystery?

Here is their marriage.

Marriages Dec 1898 (>99%)
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Binks Margaret Holborn 1b 1399
<<<Clift Thomas Philip Holborn 1b 1399
Jarman Henry Holborn 1b 1399
<<Muckleston Florence Lillian Holborn 1b 1399

A copy of this will give you their father's names and should help finding them before marriage.

Christine

This looks like Florence mistranscribed. The image looks like Muckleston.

1891 England Census
about Florence C Mucotleton
Name: Florence C Mucotleton
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Sophia
Gender: Female
Where born: Clerkenwell, London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
Town: London City
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:


Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Mucotlerton 40
Sophia Mucotlerton 39
John Mucotleton 20
Florence C Mucotleton 11
Frank R Mucotleton 5
Harriet M A Mucotleton 2

Christine

Name: Thomas Philip Clift ..horsekeeper
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Spouse Name: Florence Lilian Muckleston ..ironer, I think

Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Nov 1898
Parish: Saint Silas, Pentonville
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas Philip Clift ...china dealer?
Spouse Father Name: Charles Muckleston ...sorry cant make out occupation EDIT something "warehouseman"

This could be Thomas with his family in 1881 mistransribed as Cliff although the image looks like cliff but the same family Thomas in 1901 is Clift.

1881 England Census
about Thomas Cliff
Name: Thomas Cliff
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Surrey, England

Civil parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 14 Garnault Mews
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Hawker of Earthenware

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Cliff 25
Mary Cliff 24
Annie Cliff 5
Pheobe Cliff 3
<<<<Thos. Cliff 2


1901 England Census
about Thomas Clift
Name: Thomas Clift
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, London, England

Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James Pentonville
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Amwell
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 336
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Clift 49
William Clift 19
Harry Clift 14
Harriet Clift 12
Elizabeth Clift 10
Rhoda Clift 8
Polly Clift 6
Florence L Clift 4

Haven't found them in 1891 yet.

Christine

It appears it is the correct family from the marriage details found and the address is the same as 1881

1871 England Census
about Thomas R Clift
Name: Thomas R Clift
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone
Civil parish: Clerkenwell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Holborn
Sub-registration district: Goswell Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Clift 38
Ann Clift 38
Thomas R Clift 15
William J Clift 12
Ruben Clift 10
Charles Clift 7
Elizabeth Clift 5
George Clift 7 months

Christine

In 1881 there is also Thomas Cliff born 1830, hawker of earthenware living next door to Thomas 1856.

Christine

Looking at baptism records I think there are two families here being mixed as I have this ...or it muight just be me getting confused lol

Name: Florence Lilian Clift
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 25 Apr 1897
Father's Name: Thomas Clift (hawker)
Mother's Name: Mary Anne Clift
Parish: Saint Silas, Nunhead
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Name: Mary Ann Clift
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 9 Nov 1902
Father's Name: Thomas Phillip Clift ( horse keeper)
Mother's Name: Florence Lilian Clift
Parish: Saint Silas, Nunhead
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Rose,

Could the 1897 baptism of Florence be the one I found in 1901 and a sibling of Thomas born 1879 or am I getting confused.


Wish they wouldn't all call their children the same names, lol.

I have to go out now but will study them more closely later.

Christine

Christine I am confused too! lol

marriage... this will take some sorting out :)

Name: Florence Lilian Sophia Clift
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Spouse Name: Arthur Hewstone
Spouse Age: 34
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Jan 1919
Parish: Saint Silas, Pentonville
County: Middlesex
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Thomas Philip Clift ( soldier)
Spouse Father Name: Benjamin Hewstone

worth looking at the 1911...there is a Florence living in Chelsea of right age