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Have found family through sister Kate Cleary. It seems Philip Cleary went back to Ireland where family was from originally.

Thanks for all your help
Karen

and then this:

Name: Philip Cleary
Arrival Date: 22 Aug 1856
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 7
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination: United States of America
Place of Origin: Ireland
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Irish
Ship Name: Fidelia
Search Ship Database: Search the Fidelia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York
Line: 20
Microfilm Serial: M237
Microfilm Roll: M237_166
List Number: 839
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
He was travelling with a mary cleary aged 15. That may be why he's not appearing on any other census, IF it is him of course!!

Wrote that and then found this:

Name: Philip Cleary
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Hagret
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: Chiswick
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 172
Household Members: Name Age
Philip Cleary 40
Hagret Cleary 34
Mary Cleary 7
Thomas Cleary 3
Philip Cleary 2 Mo

Regards Linda :)

This could be kate/catherines birth, but unfortunately you would need to order the cert to check parents:

Name: Catherine Cleary
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Camberwell
County: Greater London, London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 683 (click to see others on page

Regards Linda:) PS nothing coming up for lily that I can find?? very odd that philip is not coming up on the 1871 and can't find a birth for him either, is it possible he was Irish?

Thanks Linda thats great gives me something to go on

regards Karen

And there is this in 1891, kate's place of birth is given as stepney and lillys as whitechapel. They are both confectioners assistants. You could order lilys birth cert which would also give her mothers name, and then you could narrow it down?

Name: Lilly Cleary
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Female
Where born: Whitechapel, London, England

Civil parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George F Jobson 34
Mary Jobson 34
Kate Cleary 19
Lilly Cleary 15
Elizabeth Routhwell 19

Regards Linda :)

This would seem to be philip in the 1881 census, which suggests a marriage breakdown?

Name: Philip Cleary
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: London City, London, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Spitalfields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: Heneage St St Thomas Chambers
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Tailor

Registration district: Whitechapel
Sub-registration district: Mile End New Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page


Regards Linda :)

Please help I am trying to find Philip Cleary. He had a daughter Lily Elizabeth Cleary in 1876 and was listed on her wedding certificate to James George Clark on the 25th December 1896 as living at 76 St Anns Road occupation Tailor. I have searched Census records without success. Lily was born in Stepney as far as I can work out. But again no record of Lily on census before her marriage. Am I doing something wrong