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Charles Edward Prince

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John

John Report 14 Apr 2018 10:41

Trying to find any information about my father Flight Sargent Charles Edward Prince

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 14 Apr 2018 10:57

Do you have any idea of when he was born? For instance, when was your mother born? That would give us a starting point.
Can your mother give you any additional information, such as about his nationality or names of his family members?

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Apr 2018 11:31

without his dob sadly there is this one
Charles Edward
Last name Prince
Birth year 1915
Age 28
Death year 1943
Death date 13 Aug 1943
Number 1379759
Rank Flight Sergeant
Unit 70 Sqdn.
Regiment Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Grave reference Coll. grave VIII. H. 11-12.
Cemetery or Memorial Syracuse War Cemetery, Sicily
Burial country Italy
Additional information Son of Mr and Mrs Walter Henry Prince; husband of Joan Hawkins Prince, of Warminster, Wiltshire.
Link https://www.cwgc.org/find/find-war-dead
War Second World War, 1939-1945
Record set Commonwealth War Graves Commission Debt Of Honour

one child born to charles and joan in 1942

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 14 Apr 2018 11:42

I'd say that is the correct Charles Edward Maddie.

John appears to be registered twice in both his father's name and also his mother's maiden name, so it looks like the parents were not married at the time.

They appear to have married very soon afterwards though:-

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) CHARLES E
Last name PRINCE
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1942
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ CHARLES E PRINCE married
Joan H Liversidge
Spouse's last name Liversidge
District Don Valley
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9C
Volume as transcribed 9C
Page number 1948
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 14 Apr 2018 11:43

This is probably his birth:-

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

First name(s) CHARLES E
Last name PRINCE
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's last name Wright
District Doncaster
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9C
Page 1776
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Great Britain, England

and probably his parent's marriage:-

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription
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First name(s) WALTER H
Last name PRINCE
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1913
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ WALTER H PRINCE married
Ethel Wright
Spouse's last name Wright
District Thorne
District number -
County Yorkshire
Country England
Volume 9C
Volume as transcribed 9C
Page number 1818
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Apr 2018 11:43

oh not a happy ending, thats so sad

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 14 Apr 2018 11:48

If John wanted a copy of his military records, he could order them from the MOD (£30)

http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.html

Photo of his headstone here -
https://www.twgpp.org/photograph/view/3802896

You can request a clean, emailed, copy for a donation of £4.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 14 Apr 2018 11:51

A possibility for Charles's father Walter in the 1911 census:-

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
6 Harlington Lane Mexbro, Mexborough, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

Walter Henry Prince Head Single Male 24 1887 Staffordshire Alstonefield Mining Student<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Emilia Dorothea Prince Sister Single Female 28 1883 Staffordshire Alstonefield Teacher In Secondary School
Charles Edward Benwick Prince Brother Single Male 22 1889 Staffordshire Alstonfield Colliery Deputy Asst

Perhaps Charles Edward Prince was named after his father's brother on this record?

Kath. x

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 14 Apr 2018 11:54

This looks like Walter's birth:-

England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription
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First name(s) WALTER HENRY
Last name PRINCE
Birth year 1886
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District Ashbourne
County Derbyshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 635
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births

Kath. x

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Apr 2018 11:54

1939
20 Tickhill Square , Conisbrough U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Walter H Prince 19 Oct 1886 Male Colliery Official Underground Married 111 1
Ethel Prince 16 Jul 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 111 2
Charles E Prince 30 Dec 1914 Male Colliery Haulage Hand Single 111 3
Evelyn Beatrice Wilburn (Prince) 18 Apr 1916 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 111 4
Ethel M Prince 03 May 1912 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 111 5
Kathleen Margaret Dabbs (Prince) 28 Sep 1921 Female Shorthand Typist - 111 6
James B Prince 08 Feb 1923 Male Co Operative Errand Boy Stores Single 111 7
Joan E Whitehouse (Prince) 01 Jul 1929 Female At School Single 111 8
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

Maddie

Maddie Report 14 Apr 2018 11:59

Walter Henry
Last name Prince
Baptism year 1886
Baptism date 19 Dec 1886
Baptism place Alstonefield, St Peter
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Eliza
County Staffordshire
Country England
Archive reference D4186/1
Page 69
Register type Baptism
Record set Staffordshire Baptisms

1891

John Prince Head Married Male 39 1852 Staffordshire, England Farmer
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Eliza Prince Wife Married Female 39 1852 Staffordshire, England -
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Ada M Prince Daughter - Female 13 1878 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England Scholar
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James C Prince Son - Male 12 1879 Staffordshire, England Scholar
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Emilie D Prince Daughter - Female 10 1881 Staffordshire, England Scholar
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George H Prince Son - Male 8 1883 Staffordshire, England Scholar
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Frances B Prince Daughter - Female 5 1886 Staffordshire, England -
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Walter H Prince Son - Male 4 1887 Staffordshire, England -
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Charles E Prince Son - Male 2 1889 Staffordshire, England -
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Percy J Prince Son - Male 0 1891 Staffordshire, England -
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John Beswick Brother In Law Single Male 45 1846 Staffordshire, England Retired Farmer
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Ellen Lowas Visitor Married Female 59 1832 Staffordshire, England Farmers Wife
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Eliza A Lee Servant Single Female 16 1875 Derbyshire, England General Servant Domestic
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Henry Barker Servant Single Male 29 1862 Staffordshire, England Waggoner
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John T Heath Servant Single Male 16 1875 Staffordshire, England Farm Servant

1901
9, Derwent Row, Derby, Derbyshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Prince Head Married Male 49 1852 Bradnop, Staffordshire, England Dairyman
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Eliza Prince Wife Married Female 49 1852 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England -
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Ada Mary Prince Daughter Single Female 23 1878 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England -
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James Clarence Prince Son Single Male 22 1879 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England Dairyman
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George Herbt Prince Son Single Male 18 1883 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England Dairyman
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Frances Bertha Prince Daughter Single Female 15 1886 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England -
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Walter Hy Prince Son Single Male 14 1887 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England -
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Charles Henry Prince Son - Male 12 1889 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England -
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Frederic John Prince Son - Male 10 1891 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England -
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Harold Percival Prince Son - Male 6 1895 Breadsall, Derbyshire, England -
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Katherine Margaret Prince Daughter - Female 2 1899 Breadsall, Derbyshire, England -
Transcription
John Beswick Brother-In-Law Single Male 55 1846 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England Living On Own Means

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 14 Apr 2018 11:59

This looks like Walter in the 1891 census with his parents and siblings:-

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Gateham Grange, West Side, Alstonefield, Ashbourne, Staffordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation

John Prince Head Married Male 39 1852 Staffordshire, England Farmer
Eliza Prince Wife Married Female 39 1852 Staffordshire, England
Ada M Prince Daughter - Female 13 1878 Alstonefield, Staffordshire, England Scholar
James C Prince Son - Male 12 1879 Staffordshire, England Scholar
Emilie D Prince Daughter - Female 10 1881 Staffordshire, England Scholar
George H Prince Son - Male 8 1883 Staffordshire, England Scholar
Frances B Prince Daughter - Female 5 1886 Staffordshire, England
Walter H Prince Son - Male 4 1887 Staffordshire, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Charles E Prince Son - Male 2 1889 Staffordshire, England
Percy J Prince Son - Male 0 1891 Staffordshire, England
John Beswick Brother In Law Single Male 45 1846 Staffordshire, England Retired Farmer
Ellen Lowas Visitor Married Female 59 1832 Staffordshire, England Farmers Wife
Eliza A Lee Servant Single Female 16 1875 Derbyshire, England General Servant Domestic
Henry Barker Servant Single Male 29 1862 Staffordshire, England Waggoner
John T Heath Servant Single Male 16 1875 Staffordshire, England Farm Servant

Kath. x




KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 14 Apr 2018 12:04

Walter's parent's marriage:-

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) JOHN
Last name PRINCE
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1876
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ JOHN PRINCE married
Eliza Beswick
District Leek
District number -
County Staffordshire
Country England
Volume 6B
Volume as transcribed 6B
Page number 353
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

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Flip

Flip Report 14 Apr 2018 12:12

Charles's probate record:

Prince, Charles Edward of Newton House Midland Road, Swinton Rotherham died 13/8/1943 on war service. Administration 22 June (1944) to Joan Hawkins Prince, Widow. Effects £265 10s 6d.

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 14 Apr 2018 13:06

Yorkshire Baptisms Transcription

First name(s) Charles Edward
Last name Prince
Birth year -
Baptism year 1915
Baptism date 25 Feb 1915
Baptism place Mexborough
Denomination Anglican
Father's first name(s) Walter Henry
Father's occupation Colliery Deputy
Mother's first name(s) Ethel
Residence 92 Albert Rd Mexborough
County Yorkshire (West Riding)
Country England
Notes B 30 Dec 1914
Record set Yorkshire Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Siblings........

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
Prince Evelyn B Wright Doncaster 9c 1685

Births Jun 1918 (>99%)
Prince Ethel M Wright Doncaster 9c 1442

Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Prince Dorothy F Wright Doncaster 9c 1688

Births Dec 1921 (>99%)
Prince Kathleen M B Wright Doncaster 9c 1605

Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
Prince James B Wright Doncaster 9c 1402

Births Sep 1929 (>99%)
Prince Joan E Wright Doncaster 9c 1189

Births Sep 1932 (>99%)
Prince Sheila Wright Doncaster 9c 1150

Daughter Dorothy who is not with her family on the 1939 Register.....

Dorothy F Akers (Prince) on the 1939 Register

Skipton & Dist Hospital Keighley Road , Skipton U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England.

Dorothy F Akers (Prince) O 24 Jun 1920 Female Probation Nurse (Nursing) Single 327 9

Marriages Jun 1941 (>99%)
Prince Dorothy F Akers Don Valley 9c 2429
Akers Alan Prince Don Valley 9c 2429


Dorothy Frances Akers in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Dorothy Frances Akers
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 25 Jun 1920
Registration Date: Nov 1995
Registration district: Keighley
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Register Number: A28C
District and Subdistrict: 0821A


Alan Akers in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alan Akers
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1912
Registration Date: Jul 1996
Registration district: Keighley
Inferred County: West Yorkshire
Register Number B31C
District and Subdistrict: 0821B


Alan Akers on the 1939 Register

Akers Household (3 People)
37 Neville Street , Skipton U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Alan Akers 30 Nov 1912 Male Plumber Gas Fitter & Sanitary Engineer Single 345 3
James Akers 12 Oct 1884 Male Quarry Bookkeeper Married 345 1
Ester E Akers 01 Feb 1883 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 345 2

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 16 Apr 2018 14:22

As John is new to the boards I have sent him a message letting him know that he has replies on here.

Kath. x

John

John Report 19 Apr 2018 09:54

Thanks for all the information and help

John

PricklyHolly

PricklyHolly Report 19 Apr 2018 22:27

Thank you for getting back to us John.

Happy researching.......Prickles ;o))