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Twomey Redmond Riordan Tattan and Cahill

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jul 2021 10:11

For location, for helpers' reference -

SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
Death of JULIA REDMOND in 1915
Name JULIA REDMOND
Date of Death 1915
Group Registration ID 5458660
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Deceased Age at Death 26

Address: Kildinan
Labourer's wife.
Cause of death: childbirth 11 days, pneumonia 3 days.
Informant: Peter Redmond, widower.


That would make her born c1888, rather than 1890 - but I can't find a record 1887 -1892 with father Timothy.
Nor a marriage of Timothy Cahill and Julia Riordan.


SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
Marriage of PETER REDMOND and JULIA CAHILL
on 08 September 1910
Party 1 Name PETER REDMOND
Party 2 Name JULIA CAHILL
Date of Event 08 September 1910
Group Registration ID 2070714
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy

Address of both: Kildinan, Rathcormac.
Both "of full age" - which makes them both born at least c1888-1889.
Fathers: Henry Redmond, labourer, and Timothy Cahill, labourer.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 26 Jul 2021 10:14

Michelle was asked to remove her other two threads as replies had landed on this one.

She thought she could upload her dna details to Genes - so I would presume she was looking for dna matches.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 26 Jul 2021 10:19

Michelle

Please remove my access to your tree.

Please also note that you should not include living people without their permission.

Thanks

Names

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jul 2021 11:08

1901.................
Residents of a house 1 in Shanclough (Kildinan, Cork)
Reardon Julia 46 Female Head of Family Roman Catholic ***NOT MARRIED***
Cahill Julia 12 Female Daughter Roman Catholic

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jul 2021 11:58

Speculating..................(I don't usually)

Name Julia Riordan
Date of Death 1935
Group Registration ID 1578429
SR District/Reg Area Cork
Deceased Age at Death 80

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jul 2021 13:00

Interestingly, two of Peter and Julia's children (Henry 1911 and Mary Jane 1912) have mmn Cahill.

The third, Elizabeth 1915, has mmn Riordan.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jul 2021 13:05

SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
Birth of JULIA RIORDAN in 1889
Name JULIA RIORDAN
Date of Birth 1889
Group Registration ID 11850072
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy

DOB: 20 July 1889
at Tourgariff.

Mother: Julia Riordan
No father named.

Informant: Mary Riordan, grandmother.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jul 2021 13:19

Possible death of Mary ??

SR District/Reg Area - Fermoy
Death of MARY RIORDAN in 1900
Name MARY RIORDAN
Date of Death 1900
Group Registration ID 4462390
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Deceased Age at Death 75

DOD: 9 Nov 1900
Address: Shanbally
Labourer's widow.
Cause of death: "Probably senile decay 12 months. No medical attention."

Informant: Julia Riordan, daughter

EDIT:
Or maybe not, unless the "senile decay" hadn't stopped her being present at young Julia's birth and being the informant.

EDIT AGAIN:
No, that last sentence is rubbish! Julia was born 11 years before Mary's death (thanks to ErikaH for pointing that out below) - I got the dates mixed up.

Michelle

Michelle Report 26 Jul 2021 13:21

Thank you for reply's I am looking to expand my family tree and find living relatives Thank you very much ArgyllGran and ErikaH for the records.
JULIA CAHILL was registered with out a surname. My mum managed to find the registration. Thanks for all your effort

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jul 2021 13:30

Is the 1889 birth for Julia with surname Riordan which I posted above not the right one?

I don't think it's possible to register a birth without a surname.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jul 2021 13:53

The only chance you have of finding living relatives is doing the research, starting on here in 'search all member trees' as previously advised

Also, make sure you keep your own tree up to date on here, but without including ANY living people whose permission you haven't obtained.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jul 2021 14:05

The 'senile decay' for Mary was only 12 months................Julia jnr was born in 1889...11 years earlier

As Julia snr didn't marry, you have very little chance of finding her daughter's paternal line

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jul 2021 14:10

Oh yes , of course - got the dates mixed up!
Senile decay?

Michelle

Michelle Report 26 Jul 2021 14:17

Hiya I am looking for more information for the family tree and living relatives. I was unable to upload my family tree to Genes Reunited so only have a basic tree on here.
Julia Riordan B1855 I believe her mum is Mary Riordan. I have found the following information from a facebook site I belong to:-
Name: Julia Riordan Date of Birth:
Date of Baptism: 23-Feb-1854
Address: Lislehane Parish/District: MILLSTREET
Gender: Female County Co. Cork
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: John Sweeny Mother: Julia Cahill
Occupation: Not Recorded Not Recorded
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Daniel Sweeny
Not Recorded Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Mary Danahy
no wonder we have been having such a hard time tracing her she was given a diferent surname by her parents. Why would they do that?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jul 2021 14:19

For INFO for helpers

Party 1 Name MICHAEL TWOMEY
Party 2 Name HANORA TATTAN
Date of Event 24 November 1903
Group Registration ID 1926352
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy

Name HANORAH TATTAN
Date of Birth 1872
Group Registration ID 10081198
SR District/Reg Area Fermoy
Sex N/R
Mother's Birth Surname N/R

No sign on the 1911 Irish census

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jul 2021 14:33

Name:
Nora M Twomey
Birth Date:
Oct - Dec 1951
Birthplace:
Mallow, Ireland
Registration Quarter and Year:
Oct - Dec 1951
Registration District: Mallow
Mother's Maiden Name: Redmond

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jul 2021 14:56

Michelle, that 1854 baptism record you posted says the child's mother is Julia Cahill - not Mary .

I had noticed that record before, just because of the name Cahill.

[ That child wasn't registered without a surname, as you suggested. Clearly she was registered as Riordan. Anyway , it's not a birth registration - only a church record of a baptism. - EDIT: The one Michelle thinks (wrongly) is registered without a surname is Julia Riordan 1889 - I misunderstood.]

This is the version I found:

Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - MILLSTREET
Baptism of JULIANA (JULIA) RIORDAN of LISLEHANE on 23 February 1854
Name JULIANA (JULIA) RIORDAN
Date of Birth 23 February 1854 (BASED ON OTHER DATE INFORMATION)
Address LISLEHANE
Father JOHANNES (JOHN) SWEENY
Mother JULIANA (JULIA) CAHILL
Further details in the record
Father Occupation NR
Sponsor 1 DANL (DANIEL) SWEENY
Sponsor 2 MARIA (MARY) DANAHY
Priest DIONYSIUS (DENIS) O DONOHUE


There doesn't seem any reason to think that's the right Julia, any more than any of the others born (or rather, baptised) around the same time.


For instance, what about this one - and I'm not saying this is the right one, either, but at least her mother's name is Mary:

Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - OVENS & AGLIS
Baptism of JULIA REARDON of N/R on 14 February 1855
Name JULIA REARDON
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father DENIS REARDON
Mother MARY LOONY
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 TIMOTHY LOONY
Sponsor 2 MARGARET REARDON
Recorded Parochial Area BALLINHASSIG


Re why the Julia in Lislehane is concerned, it's a pity we can't see the original document. Perhaps it might have more info - perhaps the "parents" weren't actually the parents, for some reason.

ADDED:
Perhaps they adopted or fostered the child, and had her baptised - there's nothing to say when that child was born. She wasn't necessarily a baby when baptised.

Or perhaps Riordan is meant to be a middle name, but the record has been transcribed wrongly.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jul 2021 15:04

1901????

Residents of a house 5 in Mullentoura (Kildinan, Cork)
Collins Patrick T 26 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Cork Farmer Read and write - Not Married -
Tatton Hanoria 27 Female Servant Roman Catholic Co Cork General Servant Domestic Read and write - Not Married -
Tatton Julia 12 Female Visitor Roman Catholic Co Cork Scholar Read and write

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 26 Jul 2021 15:06

You can add as much info as you like to your GR tree about deceased people..................just select a name and add relatives, one by one

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 26 Jul 2021 15:10

Marriages of those two couples above (the ones who had children named Julia Reardon/Riordan baptised):


Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - OVENS & AGLIS
Marriage of DENIS RIORDAN of N/R and MARY LOONEY of N/R on 14 February 1852
Husband Wife
Name DENIS RIORDAN MARY LOONEY
Address N/R N/R
Occupation N/R N/R
Father N/R N/R
Mother N/R N/R
Further details in the record
Recorded Parochial Area BALLINHASSIG
Witness 1 TIMOTHY LOONEY (WITNESS FOR HUSBAND)
Witness 3 JOHN LOONEY (WITNESS FOR WIFE)



Area - KERRY (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - RATHMORE
Marriage of JOHN SWEENEY of LYREAUN and JULIA CAHILL of LYREAUN
on 29 February 1840
Husband Wife
Name JOHN SWEENEY JULIA CAHILL
Address LYREAUN LYREAUN
Occupation NR NR
Father NR SWEENEY NR CAHILL
Mother NR NR NR NR
Further details in the record
Priest REV.S.O.S
Husband's Father's Occupation NR
Witness 1 PATRICK CAHILL
Witness 2 JOHN MANNIX


Rathmore is approx 12 miles from Millstreet.