Military Chat

I am trying to find out about the military service of mygrandmother's brother, Horace Goodspeed born in 1899 in Hoxton in London. I have been told that he served in the First World War but no one left in the family knows anymore than that.
As he was only 15 when war broke out he may have lied about his date of birth. I know very little about him but I do know that he married an Alice Davis in 1921 in Camberwell and they had 3 daughters. I think he may have been a policeman at some stage.
I would be really grateful for any help anyone can give. Thank you in advance.

Could this be his prisoner of war record? :-

First name(s) Horace
Last name Goodspeed
Birth year 1898
Birth date 13 May 1898
Birth place London
Service number -
Rank Soldier
Rank as transcribed Soldier
Regiment 7 Buffs
Company A
Capture year -
Capture date 12 Oct 1917
Capture location Polecapicle
Country -
Previous camp Front L Z
Next of kin first name(s) Horace (his father)
Next of kin town London
Document details Prisoners of the First World War, the International Committee of the Red Cross
Conflict World War 1
Record set Prisoners Of War 1715-1945

If this is him then his service records must be among those that were destroyed by fire as they are not on Findmypast.

Kath. x

With his family in the 1911 census:-

1911 Census For England & Wales
3 Seventh Avenue Bush Hill Park Enfield, Enfield, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Horace Goodspeed Father Married Male 37 1874 Electro Gilder And Plater Herts Hatfield
Emily Goodspeed Mother Married Female 37 1874 - London St Lukes
Horace Goodspeed Son - Male 12 1899 - London Hoxton<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Emily Goodspeed Daughter - Female 10 1901 - London Hoxton
May Goodspeed Daughter - Female 9 1902 - London Shoreditch
Dorothy Goodspeed Daughter - Female 4 1907 - London Shoreditch
Leslie Goodspeed Son - Male 1 1910 - Middx Enfield
Betty Goodspeed Daughter - Female 6 1905 - Middx Enfield

Kath. x

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
72, Murray Street, Shoreditch, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place

Horace Goodspeed Head Married Male 27 1874 Electro Gilder Plater Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England
Emily Goodspeed Wife - Female 27 1874 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England
Horace Goodspeed Son - Male 2 1899 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Emily M Goodspeed Daughter - Female 1 1900 - St Luke's, Middlesex, England

Kath. x

His death? :-

First name(s) HORACE
Last name GOODSPEED
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1899
Age 48
Death quarter 2
Death year 1947
District Lewisham
County London
Volume 5D
Page 82
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

Are you sure about Alice's name? This appears to be Horace's marriage:-

First name(s) HORACE
Last name GOODSPEED
Marriage quarter 3
Marriage year 1921
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

HORACE GOODSPEED married one of these people

Florence K Davis

Spouse's last name Davis
District Camberwell
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Volume as transcribed 1D
Page number 1867
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

This is Florence in the 1939 register:-

1 Fair View Villas, West Ashford R.D., Kent, England

Goodspeed household
(5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number

Florence K (M) Goodspeed 16 Jan 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 54 1
Margareth Brown (Goodspeed) 22 May 1922 Female Incapacitated Single 54 2
Hazel W McNeilly (Goodspeed) 03 Apr 1926 Female At School Single 54 3
Beryl Goodspeed 10 Feb 1928 Female At School Single 54 4
The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

Kath. x

This gives his service number:-

Prisoners Of War 1715-1945

First name(s) Horace
Last name Goodspeed
Year 1917
Event date 12 Oct 1917
Service number 22386
Regiment Puffs
Regiment as transcribed 7 Buffs
Country Great Britain
Document details Prisoners of the First World War, the International Committee of the Red Cross
Reference numbers PA 26852
Conflict World War 1
Record set Prisoners Of War 1715-1945
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War

Kath. x

Florence's death:-

First name(s) FLORENCE KATE M
Last name GOODSPEED
Gender Female
Birth day 16
Birth month 1
Birth year 1898
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1971
District Bromley
County Kent
Volume 5A
Page 1133
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

Kath. x

Daughter Marguerite's marriage:-

First name(s) MARGUERITE
Last name GOODSPEED
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1942
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

MARGUERITE GOODSPEED married one of these people

George W Brown

Spouse's last name Brown
District Ashford
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 2A
Volume as transcribed 2A
Page number 4233
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

Kath. x

Daughter Hazel's marriage:-

First name(s) HAZEL W
Last name GOODSPEED
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1954
Registration month -
MarriageFinder ™

HAZEL W GOODSPEED married one of these people

Hugh H McNeilly

Spouse's last name McNeilly
District Tonbridge
District number -
County Kent
Country England
Volume 5B
Volume as transcribed 5B
Page number 1707
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

Kath. x

Daughter Beryl can't have married. This is her death:-

First name(s) Beryl
Last name Goodspeed
Title Ms
Sex Female
Age 86
Birth year 1928
Birth date 00/00/1928
Death year 2014
Death date 03 Dec 2014
Place Orpington
Area Bromley
Geo direction Greater London
Postcode area BR
Postcode district BR5
Postcode sector BR5 1
County Kent
Country England
Record set United Kingdom Deaths 2007-2017

Kath. x

In 1939 he is shown on his own in Lewisham, but married.

He is a Police Constable (M.P.)


Florence K ( married ) and 3 daughters are living in Smarden, West Ashford, Kent

Below is another entry on FMP...

Chris :)

Prisoners Of War 1715-1945 (Find My Past)
First name(s) Horace
Last name Goodspeed
Birth year 1898
Birth date 13 May 1898
Birth place London
Service number 22386
Rank Private
Rank as transcribed Pte
Regiment 7 Buffs
Company A
Capture date 12 Oct 1917
Capture location Polcapelle
Previous camp Westliche Etappe


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Poelcappelle

(Westliche Etappe has various mentions also, on google search)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_(City_of_London)_Battalion,_London_Regiment


Birth
GOODSPEED, HORACE VEZEY
GRO Reference: 1898 J Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 749


All London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Horace Goodspeed
19 Jun 1898 Finsbury St Luke Islington (Born 13th May 1898)
Parents, Horace (occ. Electro Gilder), Emily Ada
Abode, 11, Radnor Street


https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

(he is on above 1947, Florence Maud Kate Goodwin)


Register of leavers from the Metropolitan Police

Horace Goodspeed, warrant number 105473. Joined on 28 April 1919, and left on 31 Dec 1945. Last posted to P Division as a PC.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C13366365

Medal roll survives as not stored in same place as Service records which were destroyed or damaged WW2

View British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920

Name: Horace Goodspeed
Regiment or Corps: Buffs (East Kent) Regiment
Regimental Number: 22386

Awarded Victory and British Medals

Note on card says under the heading "Correspondence" -

Com. Met Police (?word) roll of PC's ent. to medals 12.1 21

(ent will be entitled)