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My grandfather was a member of the dragoon guards who was at the Relief if Kimberley
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Welcome to the boards Frederick.
Are you wanting information about your Grandfather or are you just telling us he was in the Dragoons at Kimberley?
If you want information you need to tell us as much as you already know and say what else you need. Name, when and where born would be a starting point.
We are only members like yourself, but we enjoy helping others.
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You have made a statement, which doesn’t give us any idea of why you have added your post.
Please clarify……….thank you
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PM sent to Frederick to tell him that there are replies, that GR does not notify him of replies, and asking him to return to the thread with more info.
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PM received from Frederick, asking to see my tree.
Have explained that I'm not related, and asked him again to return to this thread.
He hasn't said what it is he wants to know.
However, he's shared his tree with me, and his PM is entitled "John Sylvester Powell", so I'll assume that's the man he thinks was in the 6th Dragoons.
POWELL, JOHN SYLVESTER mmn BENNETT
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 29
John S. Powell
in the 1881 England Census
Name John S. Powell
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year abt 1873
Relationship to Head Son
Father Henry Powell
Mother Elizabeth Powell
Gender Male
Where born Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Bristol St George
County/Island Gloucestershire
Country England
Street Address 8 Elmgrove Road Adeliade Place
Occupation Scholar
Registration District Barton Regis
ED, institution, or vessel 9
Neighbors
Piece 2490
Folio 48
Page number 19
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Henry Powell 40 Head
Elizabeth Powell 44 Wife
Joseph H. Powell 14 Son
Thomas Powell 11 Son
John S. Powell 8 Son
John S Powell
in the 1891 England Census
Name John S Powell
Gender Male
Age 18
Relationship Son
Birth Year 1873
Father
Henry Powell
Mother
Elizabeth Powell
Birth Place Bristol St Paul's, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish Horfield
Residence Place Horfield, Gloucestershire, England
Registration District Barton Regis
Sub registration district Ashley
ED, Institution or Vessel 30
Neighbors
Piece 1974
Folio 38
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Henry Powell 50 Head
Elizabeth Powell 54 Wife
Henry Jos Powell 23 Son
Thomas F Powell 21 Son
John S Powell 18 Son - Groom, stableman
???
John Powell
in the 1901 England Census
Name John Powell
Age 29
Estimated Birth Year abt 1872
Relation to Head Boarder
Gender Male
Birth Place Bristol
Civil parish Barking
Ecclesiastical parish St Margaret
Town Barking
County/Island Essex
Country England
Registration District Romford
Sub-registration district Barkingtown
ED, institution, or vessel 11a
Neighbors
Piece 1655
Folio 30
Page number 52
Household schedule number 295
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Simpson 29 Head
Elizabeth Simpson 26 Wife
Harry Simpson 7 Son
George Simpson 3 Son
Daisy Simpson 1 Daughter
William Pearl 67 Occupier (Occupant)
John Powell 29 Boarder - general labourer
John Sylvester Powell
in the Gloucestershire, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1974
Name John Sylvester Powell
Residence Year 1908
Street Address Trym cottages
Parliamentary Division Southern or Thornbury
Residence Place Gloucestershire, England
I don't see him definitely after 1908 - until his death;
POWELL, JOHN SYLVESTER 66
GRO Reference: 1939 J Quarter in CHEPSTOW Volume 11A Page 6 .
However, I think Frederick has gone wrong with his tree.
He has this as his grandparents' marriage:
John Powell
in the Bristol, England, Non-Conformist Baptism, Marriage and Burial Registers, 1644-1981
Name John Powell [overseer]
Gender Male
Marriage Age 28
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1875
Marriage Date 4 Oct 1903
Marriage Place Russell Town, Bristol, England
Religion Congregational
Father Henry Powell
Spouse Rosina Blanche Bryant [Father: Henry Bryant ]
Baptism of a daughter:
Rosamond Edith Powell
in the Bristol, England, Select Church of England Parish Registers, 1720-1933
Name Rosamond Edith Powell
Baptism Date 27 Mar 1905
Baptism Place Bristol, St Barnabas, Gloucestershire, England
Father John Sylvester Powell
Mother Rosina Blanche Powell
Can't see them in 1910.
John Powell
in the 1921 Wales Census
Name John Powell
Gender Male
Nationality British
Marital Status Married
Age 48 Years 6 Months
Relation to Head Head
Estimated Birth Year 1873
Birth Place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 68 Derwendeg Ave, Pengam
Residence Place Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Occupation Builder's laborer
Occupation Code 564/6
Employer Unemployed Hopkins & Sons Builder
Employer Code 468
Place of Work Deri, Glam
Number of Children Under 16 4
Inhabited Y
Ward Cefn Forest
Parliamentary Division Monmouthshire Pc, Bedwellty Div.
Registration District Bedwellty
Registration District Number 585
Sub registration district Rhymney Valley
Sub Registration District Number 4
Respondent Mr Powell
Enumeration District Name Bedwellty Ud
Enumeration District 4
Schedule 177
Schedule Type Code W
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Powell 48 Years 6 Months Head
Rosena Blanch Powell 44 Years 2 Months Wife
John Sylvester Powell 10 Years 1 Month Son
Leonard Powell 8 Years 8 Months Son
Mildred Powell 14 Daughter
Florray Powell 12 Daughter
Rosemond Powell 16 Years 1 Month Daughter
This appears to be his service record - but it gives his birthplace as Norwood, Surrey ???? And not in the 6th Dragoons.
John Powell
in the UK, British Army World War I Pension Records 1914-1920
Name John Powell
Gender Male
Residence Age 19 [ 19 yrs 7 mths on image ]
Birth Date abt 1883 ?????
Birth Place Norwood, Surrey, England ?????
Marriage Date 4 Oct 1903
Marriage Place Bristol Soms
Document Year 1902
Regiment Name Lances of the Line
Regimental Number 6552
Number of Images 5
Household List (Name) Relation to Soldier
John Powell
Rosina Blanche Bryant, Spouse
The record shows that he was a carman, and joined the 5th Lancers in 1902, having previously been in the 4th Battalion East Surrey Regiment from 1899 until 4/7/1901.
Transferred to the Army Reserve in 1905, and finally discharged in 1914.
No mention of the 6th Dragoons, or of the Boer War.
His mother is named as Elizabeth Powell, 4 Pilgrim Hill, West Norwood, Surrey, and he had two younger brothers, Harry and Alfred.
I think Frederick has got the wrong man as his grandfather.
[EDIT: No, Frederick is quite correct. See later post on 18 May at 13:39 ]
Leonard in the 1921 census was Frederick's father.
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This is the man in the service record, and therefore presumably Frederick's grandfather - not John Sylvester:
POWELL, JOHN STEPHEN mmn SOUTHWELL
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 560
John Powell
in the 1901 England Census
Name John Powell
Age 20
Estimated Birth Year abt 1881
Relation to Head Son
Gender Male
Mother Eliza Powell
Birth Place Norwood, Surrey, England
Civil parish Lambeth
Search Photos
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Ecclesiastical parish St Luke
County/Island London
Country England
Registration District Lambeth
Sub-registration district Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel 12
Neighbors
Piece 436
Folio 140
Page number 19
Household schedule number 137
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Eliza Powell 52 Head - March, Cambridgeshire
John Powell 20 Son
Harry Powell 19 Son
Walter Powell 19 Son [17 on image ]
Alfred Powell 14 Son
POWELL, WALTER mmn SOUTHWELL
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 554
POWELL, ALFRED mmn SOUTHWELL
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 546
POWELL, HARRY SMITH mmn SOUTHWELL
GRO Reference: 1881 D Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 559
Hmmmm - BUT his father was Jethro, not Henry as stated in the marriage record..
Maybe he didn't know his father's name??? Jethro died when John was only 7.
John S. Powell
in the 1881 England Census
Name John S. Powell
Relationship to Head Son
Father Jethro Powell
Mother Eliza Powell
Gender Male
Where born Norwood, Surrey, England
Civil parish Lambeth
County/Island London
Country England
Street Address Gypsey Hill 2 George St Palace Villa
Registration District Lambeth
Sub registration district Norwood
ED, institution, or vessel 26
Neighbors
Piece 630
Folio 8
Page number 9
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Jethro Powell 30 Head
Eliza Powell 32 Wife
Winifred Powell 3 Daughter
Grace Ellen Powell 2 Daughter
John S. Powell Son [6 mths ]
Elizabeth E. Green 24 Lodger
Sarah Martin 48 Lodger
Marriages Mar 1877 (>99%)
POWELL Jethro Islington 1b 417
SOUTHWELL Eliza Islington 1b 417
Deaths Dec 1887 (>99%)
Powell Jethro 36 Lambeth 1d 336
It all seems a bit of a muddle.
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RE John Powell
in the 1921 Wales Census
Age 48 Years 6 Months
Estimated Birth Year 1873
Birth Place Bristol, Gloucestershire, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 68 Derwendeg Ave, Pengam
Residence Place Bedwellty, Monmouthshire, Wales
Appears to be identical to Powell, J
UK, Princess Mary’s Gift Box POW list, 1914
Full Name Powell, J
Service Number 3215
Rank Private
Regiment 6th Dragoon Guards *****************
Address 68 Derwendey Avenue, Garden Village, Pengam, Monmouthshire ************
Date Captured 27 Aug 1914
Reference B.O.2 1/51
Source Notes B.O.2 1/51 is list of 6th DG men captured and PoW prior to 25/12/1914
Source Notes
B.O.2 1/40 is a three-page hand-written letter from 6th Dragoon Guards regimental Association, dated 3rd January 1919
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Powell, John
UK, ICRC Cards; Index of Prison of War Camp Register Entries, 1914-1918
Full Name Powell, John
Browse British & Commonwealth Registers Reference PA#
Regiment 6th Dragoon Guards
Rank Trooper
Date 16 Jan 1915
Prison Camp Senne
Full Name Powell, John
Browse British & Commonwealth Registers Reference PA#
Regiment 6th Dragoon Guards
Company A Company
Rank Trooper
Date 30 Nov 1917
Prison Camp Friedrichsfeld
Place Of Capture Bertry
Date of Capture 1914
Service Number 3215
Page Url https://grandeguerre.icrc.org/en/List/791739/698/16738/
Page Number PA 16738
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Powell, J
UK, The Times - Index of Casualties, 1914
Full Name Powell, J
Service Number 3215
Rank Pte
Casualty Missing
Regiment 6th Dragoon Guards
Newspaper The Times
Newspaper Date 13 Nov 1914
Report Date 30 Sep 1914
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UK, Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949 for J Powell
Africa-South Africa 1899-1902-Calvary-4-7 Dragoon Guards
Name J Powell
Service Date 1899-1902
Service Place South Africa
Campaign or Service South Africa-Second Boer War
Regiment or Unit Name 6th Dragoon Guards ********************
Regimental Number 3215 ********************
Clasps awarded for Johannesburg, Dinmond Hill and Belfast-Dated 1902
NO Clasps awarded for the Defence of Ladysmith or Relief of Ladysmith
National Archives Reference: WO 100/113
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I just don't understand it!
John Sylvester Powell of Bristol, and John Stephen Powell of Norwood are two different people, per GRO and 1881 census.
John Sylvester married Rosina.
They had a daughter Rosamond (per baptism record).
In 1921 they're living in Pengam - including Frederick's father Leonard.
John's POB given as Bristol.
The 1921 address matches the 6th Dragoons service record - service no 3215.
Therefore, he must be Frederick's grandfather after all.
(Sorry for doubting your research, Frederick!)
John Stephen (of West Norwood) wasn't in the 6th Dragoons.
Service numbers 6552 and previously 983.
He had younger brothers Harry and Alfred
But his service record says his wife was Rosina Blanche Bryant.
Is it possible that Rosina's name has been added to the wrong service record???
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John Stephen in 1921 - with wife Ethel:
John Stephen Powell
in the 1921 England Census
Name John Stephen Powell
Gender Male
Marital Status Married
Age 40 Years 9 Months
Relation to Head Head
Estimated Birth Year 1880
Birth Place Norwood, Surrey, England
Residence Date 1921
Residence Street Address 6 Tamworth Rd, Croydon
Residence Place Croydon, Surrey, England
Occupation General laborer
Occupation Code 970/6
Employer Scott Advertising Contractor
Employer Code 681
Place of Work 19 Tamworth Rd, Croydon
Number of Children Under 16 2
Inhabited Y
Ward Central
Parliamentary Division Croydon Pb, South Div.
Registration District Croydon
Registration District Number 39
Sub registration district South Croydon
Sub Registration District Number 2
Respondent Mr Powell
Enumeration District Name Croydon Cb
Enumeration District 24
Schedule 92
Schedule Type Code E
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Stephen Powell 40 Years 9 Months Head
Ethel Powell 41 Years 9 Months Wife
Dorothy Grace Powell 10 Years 6 Months Daughter
Alfred Powell 9 Years 3 Months Son
POWELL, DOROTHY GRACE mmn COLES
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 98
POWELL, ALFRED ERNEST mmn COLES
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 199
Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%)
COLES Ethel Bromley 2a 1210
POWELL John Steven Bromley 2a 1210
Wrongly transcribed as Joseph in 1911. Correction submitted to Ancestry:
Joseph Stephen Powell
in the 1911 England Census
Name Joseph Stephen Powell [ John Stephen on image ]
Age in 1911 30
Estimated Birth Year abt 1881
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Upper Norwood, Surrey, England
Civil parish Twickenham
County/Island Middlesex
Country England
Street Address 35 Campbell Rd, Twickenham, Middlesex
Marital Status Married
Occupation Electric Tram Conductor
Registration District Number 128
Sub-registration district Twickenham
ED, institution, or vessel 16
Piece 6849
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Joseph Stephen Powell 30 Head
Ethel Powell 31 Wife
Dorothy Grace Powell 3/12 Daughter
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PM received from Frederick, confirming that John Sylvester was definitely his grandfather.
He has all the certs to prove it.
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Has the OP given any indication of why he started the thread?
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No.
I asked him again, but he hasn't replied either here or by PM.
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