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SO........ This is the Arthur Hearn(e) she married in 1883:


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34, Stoke Newington Road, Hackney, London, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Hearne Head Married Male 30 1851 Licenced Victualler Brixton, Surrey, England
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Jared Hearne Brother Single Male 24 1857 Drapers Assistant (Unemployed) Brixton, Surrey, England
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Elizabeth Warren Servant Single Female 26 1855 Barmaid Hackney, Middlesex, England
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Charles Stevanes Barman Single Male 23 1858 Barman (Is) Hackney, Middlesex, England

Dea x

This then would seem to be the Louisa Hurwood nee Pearce.................. Now Hearn !!!......


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Double House, Horse and Groom Yard, Shoreditch, London, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Hearn Head Married Male 40 1851 Carman & Contractor Surrey, England
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Louisa Hearn Wife Married Female 33 1858 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England
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Thomas Taylor Servant Single Male 20 1871 Carman St George in the East, Middlesex, England

Dea x

Just refreshed and seen your 'summing-up' Jude - Spot on !!! ;-) :-D

Dea x

Oh my!!!!!!
Dea

If this Louisa in 1891 where are the children?

I had already found this Louisa on 1881 who I am now certain is Louisa (nee Pearce):

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
79, Huddleston Road, Islington, London, England
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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth C L Smith Wife Head Married Female 26 1855 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
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Herbert Hy Smith Son Single Male 4 1877 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
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Frank E Smith Son Single Male 2 1879 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
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Ida C L Smith Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
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Mary Ann Bray Servant Single Female 14 1867 General Dom Serv Watford, Hertfordshire, England
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Emily L Smith Sister Visitor Single Female 22 1859 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
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Louisa Hurwood Visitor Married Female 24 1857 - St Pancras, Middlesex, England
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The children have not yet been born... but, in any case, they were probably the children of the other Louisa (Churchill, not Pearce !)

Dea x

You are all very good at this I wish I was!!!

So the 1891 census that has John Hurwood, Louisa Hurwood, Arthur Churchill Hurwood and Florence Anne Hurwood is the same Louisa who married Arthur Hearn then Edward Plumb ???
Have I got that right ????

Good find Dei...but does that mean that this is Louisa Mark II?

John Hurwood
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Louisa Hurwood
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth (I S), Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Islington
County/Island: London
Street address: 22 Albion St
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: French Polisher
Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Islington West
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Piece: 230
Folio: 19
Page Number: 31
Household Members:
Name Age
John Hurwood 27
Louisa Hurwood 19 born Chapel Grove, Middlesex, England Artists Model (Art Service)

So she had the two children in 1883 and 1886 (not with John Hurwood) and was already living as Mrs Hurwood :-0 :-0 :-0 :-0 :-0

Also on the marriage cert to Edward Plumb she states her father as Henry Churchill??
I am now wondering if I have gone wrong somewhere??
Thought I was on a winner at last tracking down my great grandmothers birth cert what a can of worms I seemed to have opened............

No broomstick..

the Louisa who married Arthur Hearn was Louisa Pearce.

The Louisa who married Edward Plumb was Louisa Churchill

The Louisa in 1891 census is Louisa Churchill but it also seems that the Louisa with John in 1881 was also Louisa Churchill - i.e. we never actually find Louisa Pearce WITH John Hurwood!

But it opens up another can of worms as to why between 1881 and 1891 she had two children by Arthur (maybe) Hicks!

OK- Wow, I'm so impressed. the Pearce/ Hurwood/ Hearn is amazing work

but...
I think the Louisa with John in 1881 is his original wife (nee Pearce)- she may be registered twice if she was visiting people. I think this could be Louisa Churchill in 1881, before she had children (and before any connection with John Hurwood)

Louisa Churchill
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relationship to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Marlebone
County/Island: London
Street address: 13a Margaret St
Occupation: General Servant
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub-registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Piece: 134
Folio: 16
Page Number: 26
Household Members:
Mary Lonsdale 40
Ann Lonsdale 36
Mary Warm??P 24
Louisa Moody 19
Mary A. Moody 15
Susan Hepditch 15
Louisa Churchill 19

I suspect she [Louisa Churchill] had two children (possibly with an Arthur Hicks) before meeting John (who probably thought it was extremely lucky that she had the same name as his first wife, as they could pretend to be married quite easily?!)

Ah good Gritty....but she obviously lied somewhat about her age if that is the case with the one with John as she is 19 (1862) when Louisa Pearce was born 1856.

Of course there is another explanation.....there is third Louisa lol! :-)

Jude

I agree Gritty - people were ofter listed twice if they were away from home - once where they were visiting and again at their home address.

However, the Louisa with John is only 19 on 1881 which fits in with the age of Louisa Churchill (Louisa Mark II), whereas the one away visiting with the Smith's is aged 24 which fits exactly with Louisa Pearce (Mark I)

Not sure yet how your Louisa Churchill - servant on 1881 fits in ? - Maybe 'she' was the one who was recorded twice??

Still confusing but I feel we are almost there now ;-) :-D

Dea x

John could've given the information on the 1881 census- you know what men are like for not knowing 'stuff'. - ooh forgot to add, Louisa Churchill was also in Marylebone in 1881, where her son Arthur was born a few years later.

Jude - PLEASE do not tell us there may be a 3rd Louisa !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-0 :-0 :-0 :-0

Dea Xxx

Well..all joking aside, In that 1881 census Louisa aged 19 artist's model, gives her place of birth as Chapel Grove Middlesex not St Pancras as in other censuses

But it is possible that there was a Chapel Grove IN St Pancras (Googling it brings up a reference)

Jude

I think my head is going to explode ......lol

Gritty
I had seen that one of Louisa as a servant as it is in the right area

Jude

I have a marriage cert for John Hurwood to Louisa Pearce 1874

I have a marriage cert for Louisa Hurwood to Edward Plumb 1899

The marriage cert for my great grandmother states John Hurwood deceased French polisher

I think I will send for the birth cert of Arthur Hicks born 1884 to see what appears on that

Yes Broomstick...

The 1874 marriage is Louisa Mark I PEARCE

The 1899 marriage is Louisa Mark II CHURCHILL

As far as we can all see Louisa Churchill never actually married John Hurwood - she just assumed his name. Whilst Louisa PEARCE remarried as Louisa Hurwood, widow, to Arthur Hearne when she wasn't actually a widow ;-)

John Hurwood would have been the only father Florence knew so that is no surprise.

I think the birth certificate of Arthur would be a good purchase.

You have certainly got a well weaved tangle here!

Jude

I was having thoughts about there being 3 Louisa's

the one in 1881 19 y dos'nt quite fit Louisa Churchill -- she always quotes
St Pancras as place of birth. --as said she is in Marylebone where Arthur
was born.
But why choose Hick[s] as a surname ???

Mavis

well thank you all for your comments, guidance I really do appreciate it all

yes I do have a very tangled web to sort

Think I will have a tea break then take another look at all this before bed......

I am nine hours ahead of the UK

This must be Louisa mark 1. I can't see a death for this child though. Can anyone else?

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about John Alma Hurwood
Name: John Alma Hurwood
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 11 Aug 1878
Father's Name: John Hurwood - french polisher
Mother's name: Louisa Hurwood
Parish or Poor Law Union: Langham
Borough: Westminster
Register Type: Parish Registers

42, Newman Street
Date of birth - 17th May 1878