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Baitrum Household (6 People)
49 Crondall Street , Shoreditch, London, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S)
Lizzie Bickley (Baitrum)
DOB 11 May 1914
SEX Female
OCCUPATION Laundry Hand
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 104
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3
Charles Baitrum
Annie Baitrum
Charles Baitrum
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Not impossible but I think it's doubtful that Benjamin and Lizzie were the parents of Joseph B born 1931. They were both single in 1939 and living separately, so why wait until 1940 to marry?

Perhaps the birth certificate of that child is needed to verify his parents.

1945/6 19,Crondall Street
Benjamin Bickley
Elizabeth Bickley

Death Elizabeth Bickley born 11/5/1916 died Nov 1986 London City
V14 p 757.

Maryb.

Thank you again everyone for all your comments. Thanks to Sylvia I now understand about the annotations in the 1939 Register.

I have sent off for several birth and death certificates so I'll be able to update things when they arrive (early next week hopefully).

Meanwhile, I've been searching through the London Electoral Registers as follows:

Maud and Fred Garner lived at 36 Sussex Road, Harrow-on-the-Hill from 1929 - 1934. I can't find anything earlier or for 1935/36 for them.

From 1937 to at least 1960 (when he died), Fred and Emma lived at 40 Granville Avenue, Spelthorne, Feltham. On some of the returns she was registered as Eunice.

In 1950 Helen was living with them. In 1953, 1958 and 1960 one or both their sons were with them. Their first-born died in 1931 - shortly after birth.

I've found Fred's Will - he died on 6 Dec 1960 and was still living at Granville Avenue. Administration was granted to both his sons, but that doesn't mean Emma was dead by that time.

When Joseph Garner's and Joseph Bickley's birth certificates arrive I should be able to clarify who their mothers were.

I can find no trace of Maud after 1934: she may have died, divorced, remarried or simply changed her name. I'll keep looking and let you know if I discover anything.

Lynn

Frederick Charles Garner at 36 Sussex street in 1920 with a Lucy and William Garner
I don't think this is your Frederick who married Maud Baitrum .
Lucy and William were the parents of Fred Charles Garner born 1889 in Essex, they were at 36 Sussex Street 1918.
Maryb

Edit Fred C Garner born 23/7/1888 died 1970 Ormskirk Lancashire
He married Maud Bampton in Ormskirk Lancashire in June 1926
So we can now rule them out.

Lucy and William Garner are at 36 Sussex Road in 1918.

I think this is that family in 1911 - so the Frederick Charles with them on later ERs is their son?

Frederick Charles Garner
Age in 1911: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Walthamstow, Essex
Civil Parish: Walthamstow
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County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 59 Grosvenor Park Road, Walthamstow N E
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Insurance Clerk
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 15
Piece: 9690
Household Members:
Name Age
William Garner 59
Lucy Garner 58
Francis George Garner 28
Frederick Charles Garner 22
Walter John Garner 21
Percy Albert Garner 19

Sorry Mary, I was still looking when you add more info to your post.

Lynn if you read through the thread it was already suggested that the Fred at 36 Sussex Road was not the correct one and that this was likely to be your Fred:

1930 Electoral register
10 Orchard Road, Brentford & Chiswick
Charles Garner
Ellen Garner
Frederick Garner<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Louisa Hillier

AustinQ

Thanks for your comment, duly noted.

It could be significant that Maud and Frederick's daughter, Helen, appeared to be living with her grandparents in 1939, so perhaps Maud left the family home between 1935 and 1939.

I'll update these notes as soon as I receive the certificates.

Lynn

Hallo again!

I've managed to discover quite a bit more about Maud:

Date of birth: 27 April 1902 to Albert and Eliza Baitrum.
Marriage: 1925 to Fredk H C Garner
Child of that marriage: Helen Louise Garner 1926

Maud then met Joseph Andrew Charles Bickley circa 1930
Children: Joseph Bickley 1931 (also registered as Joseph Garner), Charles Bickley 1934
Date of death: 29 May 1942 in St Leonard's Hospital, Shoreditch.

I cannot find a marriage for Maud and Joseph but he is recorded as her husband on her death certificate.

Electoral Rolls: 1929-1933 Maud is registered as living with Fredk Garner at 36 Sussex Road, Harrow on the Hill.

1931 - 1939 she is also registered as living with Joseph Bickley at various addresses in Shoreditch.

Fredk Garner and Emma Cockram married in 1948 and he is recorded as a 'widower'. Both Fredk and Emma died in the last quarter of 1960 and probate was granted to their sons.

So, quite a complex life story for Maud. Has anyone any idea what happened to her sons, please? By the way, Joseph married Sarah Connard in 1944:she died in the 1960s, I think. He died in 1990.

Lynn

Lynn- you've made the same mistake again! You need to read through the thread at the information that's been given...

The Fred & Maud at 36 Sussex Road aren't the correct people