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Just found out why Sylvia and I couldn't find Norham, Northumberland last night on the 41 census, they decided to put it in Durham!
1841 census
Norham, Durham
Mary Bolton, 70
Thomas, 30, ag lab
Agnes, 25
George, 25, ag lab
Gideon, 20, ag lab
Margaret, 7
William, 5
Peter, 4 months

Now, there's a line between the last 3 and the rest as if they're not all one family but the 3 children wouldn't be alone, and in 1841 they don't give relationships.

Yes! There is a Margaret Bolton on the 1851 census who was born 1834, Norham. She's a servant in Norham.

The marriage from Free BMD is also on IGI. It was 29 Nov. 1852 but no other info.

Just found a mariiage on freeBMD that might be them

George Smith and Margaret Bolton
Dec 1852 South Shields

Hi Margaret and Sylvia,

Imagine my surprise when I have a quick look if anyone as answered my query and there are 20 replies! Fantastic, I feel so lucky.

My link is with George Smith 1831 Holy Island and know wife is Margaret. Not sure who gave me maiden name Hall, but comes from Norham. Looking through my records there was thoughts that her maiden name might have been Bolton. I also remember coming across two George Smiths from Holy Island over 1831-1832

His daughter Margaret 1862 marries into my Maughan line, which is my mothers maiden name and a signifant part of my family tree.

Are you able to see if you can find Bolton/ Smith marriage?
George Smith's parents were John Smith 1807 and Sarah Tait
1881 census has Margaret b1843 so she is rather old to amrry and have kids for her generation.

Thanks for all your hard work

Allison in New Zealand
Its 8pm here

sorry, I was chasing something else


yep, I'm west coast ........... it's about 8:15pm here, so 3 hours???


sleep well.

I even wondered if the family we're tracing is not George Smith & Margaret Hall but George Smith and another Margaret.
Anyway, I think I've had enough for tonight. Close to bedtime. I think you're West Coast, I'm Eastern Ontario. (2 or 3 hours apart?)

I just wondered 'cos I couldn't find a Margaret Hall on the 1851, and went with Margaret Thompson with father!


As for starting the fmaily before they married ... nothing much unusual there.

I cna't see Mary's registration anywhere though, and she was apparently born 1854 in South Shields, Durham



sylvia

No, Sylvia, I don't buy the theory of Margaret being married before because on the marriage record she was Margaret Hall with a father John Hall so that had to be her maiden name.
I think probably they just started their family before getting married, although you'd wonder why.

think my theory is wrong!


sylvia

Agnes

AGNES ALLISON SMITH Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 22 FEB 1860

Christening: 01 APR 1860 Holy Island, Northumberland, England


Parents:
Father: GEORGE SMITH Family
Mother: MARGARET

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.



sylvia

This is waht family search chows for Sarah's christening.


Not sure what it means when it has

SARAH Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 14 JUN 1857 Cornhill, Northumberland, England


Parents:
Father: GEORGE SMITH Family
Mother: MARGARET

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.



sylvia

so what about daughter Mary's birth?

sorry for the typos!

What do you think of this theory


Margaret was married before?

I have not been able to find a Margaret Hall in Norham on the 1851.


I did find a margaret Thhompson with father John

I then found this marriage on freebmd

Marriages Dec 1855 (>99%)

CHAMBERS Thomas Tynemouth 10b 303
HAILS Frances Tynemouth 10b 303
HALL James Tynemouth 10b 303
THOMPSON Margaret Tynemouth 10b 303


IF James Hall married Magaret Thompson, then died within a couple fo years, and Margaret HALL then married George



does it make sense??




sylvia

Yeah, we Cannucks arent very good with our Northumberland geography! And Halls and Smiths aren't the easiest names to find.

Here's daughter Sarah's birth:

SMITH, Sarah Christening
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 14 Jun 1857 Recorded in: Cornhill, Northumberland, England
Father: George SMITH
Mother: Margaret
Source: FHL Film 1068896 Dates: 1811 - 1902

Problem with the 1841 and 1851 Censuses is that neither Norham nor Workam are mentioned, either in birth place nor in where living.


I don't know my Northumberland geography well enough to be able to sort out the 33 Margaret Halls born in Northumberland on the 1841 and the 14 on the 1851! The 1851 doesn't ahve any with father John, and relationships are not given on the 1841.



sylvia

In 1851 George Smith, age 18, born Holy Island, is an apprentice shoemaker in Norham, Northumberland.
Not sure where Margaret is in 1851.

1871 Census

Name: Margaret Smith
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Norham, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Belford
Town: Belford
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Belford
Sub-registration district: Belford
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Pedie 16
Agnes Smith 4
George Smith 39
Jane Smith 6
John Smith 2
Margaret Smith 37
Margaret Smith 8
Sarah Smith 13


sylvia