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Thanks for the info, will certainly check it out. Perhaps they just liked changing their names back then - lets hope so.

I was also looking at this earlier

1871 England Census
about Susan Townshend
Name: Susan Townshend
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Saham, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Mattishall
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: Mattishall
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
George Townshend 9 b East Dereham
Jane Townshend 5 b Mattishall
Mary Ann Townshend 3
Susan Townshend 42
William Townshend 54
William Townshend 11

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I also found this


1851 England Census
about Susan Bell
Name: Susan Bell
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Saham, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Watton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wayland
Sub-registration district: Attleborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 11a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Bell 21
William Bell 23

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I don't know if they're connected though



This is possibly the above lady.

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Match quality: 2 out of 5 William Bell 1850 Apr-May-Jun Wayland Norfolk
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Match quality: 2 out of 5 Susan Watling 1850 Apr-May-Jun Wayland Norfolk

Yes I have seen that but no trace of the birth of William Harbot or a marriage between Susan and William Townsend. No trace either of Jane or George Townshend being registered.

I seem to think that this may be the right family but proving it could be a different matter,

I can find trace of George Herbert Bell being registered at birth either.

Thank you for your time and efforts most appreciated

Hi Marlene,

If William Townshend is not simply a false trail, then this 1861 entry may be useful

Name: William Townshend
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Norwich, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Shipdham
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: Shipdham
ED, institution, or vessel: 7d

Household schedule number: 136
Household Members:
Name Age
Susan Harbot 34
William Harbot 10Mo
William Townshend 47

Thanks Ivy, this is well worth a closer look. evn a sister called Jane.

Lets hope, this has been driving me mad for days.

I'm intrigued by this entry, but can't tie in a marriage for William to Susan:

Name: George Townshend
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: East Dereham, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Mattishall
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: Mattishall
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 57
Household Members:
Name Age
George Townshend 9
Jane Townshend 5
Mary Ann Townshend 3
Susan Townshend 42
William Townshend 54
William Townshend 11

Thanks everyone for your replies. I think the 1881 could be him. But no sign of the family in 1871.

George Bell and the Susan Hipper is a possibility, will have a look and see if I can tie them in

I was looking for a marriage for Susan.(to find out hubbys name)....

If susan was born in Norwich in c1831....hows about this marriage?

Marriages Mar 1850

Baley Charlotte Anna Maria Norwich 13 411
>>>Bell George Norwich 13 411
Brown Barnabas Norwich 13 411
Garner Mary Ann Norwich 13 411
Hindle Mary Ayden Norwich 13 411
>>>Hipper Susan Norwich 13 411
Holbrook Robert Norwich 13 411
Pearse Francis Norwich 13 411
Spanton Maria Norwich 13 411

Is this the family in 1881?

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1881 England Census
about George Bell
Name: George Bell
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: East Dereham, Norfolk, England

Civil Parish: Swanton Morley
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England

Street address: Town St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Ag Labourer

Registration district: Mitford
Sub-registration district: Bawdeswell
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Bell 17
Jane Bell 16
Susan Bell 50
Wim. Porter 35

Thanks Nicola, not been able to find birth or census details before 1881.

Looked on IGI but not there either.

Any other ideas

Dec 1885 - Marriage

Bell George Mitford 4b 760
Doy Elizabeth Mitford 4b 760

I am looking for details of George Bell born 1863 in East Dereham.

I have him on the 1901, 1891 as George Herbert Bell (he married a Jane Elizabeth Doy in 188). On the 1891 nd 1901 census she is shown as Jane Elizabeth. On his daughters birth cert he is George Herbert and her mother is Jane Elizabeth Doy.

I think I have him on the 1881 census as George with sister Jane and mother Susan. Susan is shown as a widow.

I can find no trace of him or his mother before this.

He was born in E. Dereham Norfolk.

Any help would be appreciated.

Marlene