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Suzanne
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17 Feb 2011 19:18 |
Thanks for looking, FBG
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FannyByGaslight
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17 Feb 2011 18:36 |
I have searched for her on 1901 and 1911 plus outgoing passengers and have been unable to locate her at all,sorry.
But if she married in India in 1912 I would imagine that she would have been out there some time before her marriage so would may not be on 1911 English census..
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Suzanne
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17 Feb 2011 12:39 |
Please could someone look on the 1911 census to see if Emma Harriet/Harriet Emma Cooke is in England at this time. Thank you
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Suzanne
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25 Jan 2011 16:01 |
I have done a bit more searching for Harriet Emma Cooke in 1870 she is born at Shorncliffe Barracks Kent and called Harriet Emma. 1871 Some the census page is missing and she is just Emma. Living at Kensington Barracks, London. 1881. Recorded as Emma Harriet. Living in Worcestershire. 1891 She is living in London, working as a Lady's maid . Census is hard to decipher. She is now Emme. I can't find her for 1901. In June 1933 she is left some money by her brother. The will says Harriet Emma Paice (wife of Alfred Hubert Paice), The record of her death that you found is definitely her. Except her name is Paice not Price, The date and location match. I though that her marriage was correct except for the fact that her father's initials do not match and her birth year is wrong. I found an incoming passenger record for a Miss E Cooke (b1871) from Calcutta arriving 12.1.1900, but again that may not be her. I have found Alfred Paice,s WW1 record but it doesn't give much information apart from the fact that he served in India. Don't know if you can give me any further help?
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Dec 2010 21:06 |
Aha..Yes MC,you are correct..Now to get him going to India if poss..And maybe the Cooke family too?
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MarieCeleste
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23 Dec 2010 20:54 |
Think in 1901 Alfred is with relatives, Henry A is possibly brother with mum in Fans find:
PAICE, Hubert Head Married M 38 1863 Corn Flour & Seed Merchant Reading Berkshire PAICE, Matilda Wife Married F 36 1865 Spaldwick Hampshire PAICE, Gladys E Daughter Single F 6 1895 Walthamstow Essex PAICE, Victor H W Son Single M 4 1897 Walthamstow Essex PAICE, William S Son Single M 3 1898 Walthamstow Essex PAICE, Ronald L Son Single M 0 (11 MOS) 1901 Walthamstow Essex VENABLES, Margaret M Servant Single F 14 1887 General Servant Domestic Walthamstow Essex >>PAICE, Alfred H Nephew Single M 12 1889 Caversham Berkshire
RG number: RG13 Piece: 1627 Folio: 72 Page: 30 Registration District: West Ham Sub District: Walthamstow Enumeration District: 30 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Mary Civil Parish: Walthamstow Municipal Borough: Address: 306, Hoe Street, Walthamstow County: Essex
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Dec 2010 20:46 |
1901 and that Alfred is now Henry?
PAICE, Christiana Head Widow F 40 1861 Books Bristol Gloucestershire PAICE, Henry A Son Single M 8 1893 Reading Registration District: Lambeth Sub District: Waterloo Road Enumeration District: 9 Ecclesiastical Parish: Lambeth St Thomas Civil Parish: Lambeth Municipal Borough: Address: 30, Oakley Street, Lambeth County: London
I am being called.Gotta go,and I dont know what to think at the mo,but she may well have lied on marriage,so many did and do..!
But I cant find Alfred Paice going to India on passenger lists on FMP
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MarieCeleste
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23 Dec 2010 20:33 |
If the records found are right then she could have been nearly 20 years older than Alfred at marriage. Could they have fibbed about ages to minimise the difference?
** hard to find Cooke family after 1881 - names aren't unusual and they did seem to move around a bit so hard to tell who's who.
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MarieCeleste
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23 Dec 2010 20:31 |
Just throwing these in the pot, possibly for elimination:
Births Mar 1889 Paice Alfred Hubert Henley 3a 763 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PAICE, Alfred Head Married M 31 1860 Clothiers Manager Reading Berkshire PAICE, Christiana M Wife Married F 32 1859 Bristol Somersetshire PAICE, Alfred H Son M 2 1889 Caversham Oxfordshire TURNER, Emily E Servant Single F 14 1877 General Servant Tilehurst Berkshire
RG number: RG12 Piece: 996 Folio: 114 Page: 41 Registration District: Reading Sub District: St Giles Enumeration District: 18 Ecclesiastical Parish: St Giles Civil Parish: Reading Municipal Borough: Reading Address: 64, Erleigh Road, Reading County: Berkshire
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Dec 2010 20:31 |
Certainly do MC,I just dont feel this as right.
As I said,it just does not add up..
I would like to kow if that IS her death I have added..I dont see another marriage for her although Suzanne says she divorced.Divorce back then was expensive and hard to come by,I know it did happen,but not often. I cant see any of the rest of the family on later census,can you MC?
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MarieCeleste
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23 Dec 2010 20:20 |
Fans - great minds obviously think alike!
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Dec 2010 20:13 |
1881
COOKE, James Head Married M 47 1834 Drill Instructor Ym C? Ledbury Herefordshire COOKE, Harriet Florence Wife Married F 43 1838 St Neots Huntingdonshire COOKE, Florence Sarah Daughter Single F 17 1864 Warehouse Woman (Needle) Dublin Ireland COOKE, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1866 Dressmaker Dublin Ireland COOKE, James John Son Single M 13 1868 Warehouse Boy (F Lab) Dundalk Ireland COOKE, Emma Harriet Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Shorncliffe Kent COOK, Harry Herbert Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Colchester Essex COOK, Clara Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Webheath Worcestershire COOK, Edith Mary Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Webheath Worcestershire COOK, Alice Annie Daughter Single F 3 1878 Webheath Worcestershire WALTON, Ann Mother In Law Widow F 70 1811 Formerly Laundress St Neots Huntingdonshire Registration District: Bromsgrove Sub District: Tardebigg Enumeration District: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Webheath Municipal Borough: Address: Banks Green, Webheath County: Worcestershire
Is this her death,its the only one I can see that may be her?
Name: Harriet E Price Death Registration Month/Year: 1944 Age at death (estimated): 75 Registration district: Solihull Inferred County: Warwickshire Volume: 6d Page: 877 If this is her death then again she is born c1870.
Things just dont add up. On her marriage she gives father as T.T Cooke NOT James Cooke and says she is born 1878.
Why does it say born 1878 on the marriage?
Are you certain that is her marriage or that it is her on 1881 census?
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MarieCeleste
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23 Dec 2010 20:04 |
I think this is the 1881 Suzanne is referring to:
COOKE, James Head Married M 47 1834 Drill Instructor Ym C? Ledbury Herefordshire COOKE, Harriet Florence Wife Married F 43 1838 St Neots Huntingdonshire COOKE, Florence Sarah Daughter Single F 17 1864 Warehouse Woman (Needle) Dublin Ireland COOKE, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 15 1866 Dressmaker Dublin Ireland COOKE, James John Son Single M 13 1868 Warehouse Boy (F Lab) Dundalk Ireland >>COOKE, Emma Harriet Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar Shorncliffe Kent COOK, Harry Herbert Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Colchester Essex COOK, Clara Daughter Single F 7 1874 Scholar Webheath Worcestershire COOK, Edith Mary Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar Webheath Worcestershire COOK, Alice Annie Daughter Single F 3 1878 Webheath Worcestershire WALTON, Ann Mother In Law Widow F 70 1811 Formerly Laundress St Neots Huntingdonshire
RG number: RG11 Piece: 2943 Folio: 111 Page: 9 Registration District: Bromsgrove Sub District: Tardebigg Civil Parish: Webheath Address: Banks Green, Webheath County: Worcestershire
** I note Suzanne confirmed the marriage details correct than FBG found. On that marriage the bride's father was T.T. Cooke, whereas on this census it is James Cooke. Miss Cooke's names are reversed between census and marriage record.
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Suzanne
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23 Dec 2010 18:11 |
In 1881 I've got her living in Tardebigg,Worcestershire with her family. 1912 (as per your info) in Calcutta She died in Solihull West Midlands in 1944 after being knocked down by a car
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Dec 2010 18:00 |
Please can you give the 1881 census for her that you have and the 1911.
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Suzanne
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23 Dec 2010 17:47 |
Sorry Fanny, for not getting back to you. Yes, the info you gave me about the marriage is correct. Thank you
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FannyByGaslight
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23 Dec 2010 17:39 |
So no response whatsoever to the marriage that I posted for them in India? Is it not the correct one?
If she was in India there would be no census available for her.
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Suzanne
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23 Dec 2010 17:34 |
Harriett Emma Cooke. I have found census details for her except for 1891 and 1901. I know she was a lady's maid for the family of Lord Curzon, the Viceroy of India. Can anyone help with those two missing dates? Thank you
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FannyByGaslight
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11 Dec 2010 20:13 |
To be found here. beta.familysearch.org
groom's name: Alfred Hubert Paice groom's birth date: 1885 groom's age: 27 bride's name: Harriet Emma Cooke bride's birth date: 1878 bride's age: 34 marriage date: 11 Mar 1912 marriage place: Calcutta, Bengal, India groom's father's name: Alfred Paice bride's father's name: T. T. Cooke groom's marital status: Single bride's marital status: Single
No image available,grooms age is 20 yrs different that you give ,but certainly the pairs marriage.
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MarieCeleste
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11 Dec 2010 17:38 |
Suzanne - could she be Harriett Emma (is that your tree on Ancestry that has her name that way?)
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