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http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards.page/board/ancestors/rawson/thread/1038485?page=1

You can apply for the marriage certificate that PricklyHolly posted to find the fathers' names. This might then confirm some of the rest of the information that we have suggested.

Good to see you found your way back to your thread Verna. :-) x

Thank you so much to everyone who has replied - I would have been totally lost without you. It appears that the name Carlan has mutated through Carolin to Carlon over the years. It is also a possibliity that Herbert died and Mary remarried I would never have found out all this.
Unfortuately, I don't have my g. grandparents marriage certificate which would give the fathers' names - just my grandad's (Thomas Henry Rawson, born 24th Jan 1887) birth certificate which gives the names Herbert & Mary formerly Carlan. I can't believe how many Herbert Rawson's there are!
Thanks again everyone
Verna
Vancouver BC :-)

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: RAWSON, Thomas
Address: Grand Hotel Morecambe Lancashire

HANMAN, John Head Married M 48 1863 Company Director Gloucester VIEW
HANMAN, Bertha Wife Married F 43 1868 London VIEW
SANDFORD, Helen Manageress Single F 35 1876 Manageress Uttoxeter VIEW
DILWORTH, Ethel Servant Single F 25 1886 Bar Attendant Chester VIEW
DAVIE, Isabella Servant Single F 30 1881 Waitress Liverpool VIEW
HILTON, Emily Servant Widow F 58 1853 Cook Ripon VIEW
MOWAT, Kate Servant Single F 33 1878 Chambermaid Orkney Islands VIEW
RAWSON, Thomas Servant Married M 24 1887 Boots Sheffield VIEW
NAYLOR, Ezra Visitor Married M 57 1854 Secretary Building Society Bradford VIEW
NAYLOR, Annie Eliza Wife Married F 50 1861 Bradford VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
25516 Reference:
RG14PN25516 RG78PN1460 RD479 SD2 ED7 SN163

Registration District:
Lancaster Sub District:
Heaton Enumeration District:
7 Parish:
Poulton, Bare and Torrisholme

Address:
Grand Hotel Morecambe Lancashire County:
Lancashire

Is this your grandfather's marriage?
Marriages Sep 1909
ADAMS Henry Lancaster 8e 1723
CRAGG Alice Lancaster 8e 1723
xxx MULLEN Christina Lancaster 8e 1723
xxx RAWSON Thomas Henry Lancaster 8e 1723

1911
MULLEN, Elizabeth Head Widow F 64 1847 Wexford
MULLEN, Thomas Son Married M 32 1879 Linoleum Works Laborer Lancaster Lancs
MULLEN, Albert Son Single M 27 1884 Bill-Poster Lancaster Lancs
RAWSON, Christina Daughter Married 2 years F 25 1886 Lancaster Lancs
MULLEN, Alfred Son Single M 24 1887 Vulcanized Fibre Worker Lancaster Lancs
RAWSON, Herbert Vincent Grand-Son M 1 1910 Morecombe Lancashire
RG number: RG14 Piece: 25527 Reference: RG14PN25527 RG78PN1461 RD479 SD3 ED3 SN132
Registration District: Lancaster Sub District: Lancaster Enumeration District: 3 Parish: Lancaster
Address: 72 Edward St Lancaster County: Lancashire

1861 England Census
Patrick Carolin
Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Husband Spouse's Name: Bridget Carolin
Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Holliscroft Town: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 102
Piece: 3484 Folio: 104 Page Number: 20
Patrick Carolin 32
Bridget Carolin 30
Ann Carolin 2
Mary Carolin 11 MO
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3484; Folio: 104; Page: 20; GSU roll: 543139.

1871 England Census
Patrick Carlon
Age: 38 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Bridget Carlon
Gender: Male Where born: Maryo, Ireland
Civil parish: Sheffield Ecclesiastical parish: Holliscroft
Town: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Household schedule number: 31 Piece: 4682 Folio: 51 Page Number: 6
Patrick Carlon 38
Bridget Carlon 35
Ann Carlon 12
Mary Carlon 10
Thomas Carlon 9
Margaret Carlon 5
John W Carlon 7 (NO is 2)
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4682; Folio: 51; Page: 6; GSU roll: 847231.

Derek,
The suggestion was that Mary's husband Herbert Rawson died, and Mary married James Horan.
Margee posted the 1891 census with Mary as Mary Horan and her sons down as stepsons all using the surname Horan.
Why should Mary come from Scotland, even if Carlon/Carlan is a traditionally Scottish name (is it?) it does not mean that Mary had to be born there?
Have you found Mary Carlon on a Scottish census?
It would be useful if Verna had the information from the marriage certificate posted here, so we could have the names of Mary and Herbert's Fathers, and also the name of the son, her grandfather,and what censuses she has found him in.

Just to point out that Thomas Henry Rawson is a fairly common name in Sheffield:
Births Jun 1885
Rawson Thomas Henry Sheffield 9c 574
Births Jun 1886
RAWSON Thomas Sheffield 9c 576
Births Mar 1887
Rawson Thomas Henry Sheffield 9c 419

Added:
Mary married in Sheffield in 1882, this is a possibility for her in the 1881,with her Mother from Ireland, but her siblings born Sheffield.
The address is Hollis Croft, see the original posting for address mentioned.
Mary Carlan
Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Bridgett Carlan
Gender: Female Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street Address: 70 Hollis Croft
Occupation: Warehouswoman
Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: North Sheffield ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Piece: 4646 Folio: 96 Page Number: 44
Bridgett Carlan 38 Ireland hawker widowed
Mary Carlan 21 Sheffield
Thomas Carlan 19 Sheffield
Margaret Carlan 15 Sheffield
John Carlan 12 Sheffield
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 4646; Folio: 96; Page: 44; GSU roll: 1342123.

Sorry folks..where does the name Horan come from?????
Mary's name was CARLAN..and she almost certainly came from Scotland......
Derek.

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: HORAN, James
Address: 69 Solly St Sheffield

HORAN, John William Head Married
16 years M 36 1875 Coal Miner Getter Stocksbridge Yorks VIEW
HORAN, Annie Wife Married F 38 1873 Spoon And Fork Buffer Yorks Sheffield VIEW
HORAN, Chatherine Daughter Single F 15 1896 At Home Yorks Sheffield VIEW
HORAN, Thomas Son M 9 1902 School Yorks Sheffield VIEW
HORAN, James Ernest Son M 7 1904 School Yorks Sheffield VIEW
HORAN, John William Son M 2 1909 Yorks Sheffield VIEW
HORAN, James Brother Married M 47 1864 Foundry Labourer Yorks Sheffield VIEW
HORAN, Walter Nephew Single M 20 1891 General Labourer Yorks Sheffield VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27870 Reference:
RG14PN27870 RG78PN1595 RD510 SD2 ED3 SN249

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
North Sheffield Enumeration District:
3 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
69 Solly St Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

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1911 census - household transcription
Person: HORAN, Mary
Address: 96 Greystock St Sheffield

HORAN, Mary Head Married
20 years F 50 1861 Warehouse Woman Sheffield York VIEW
FREEMAN, Nellie Broughton Boarder Single F 22 1889 Laundress Sheffield York VIEW
FREEMAN, Edith Broughton Boarder Single F 18 1893 Domestic Servant Genl Sheffield York VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
27970 Reference:
RG14PN27970 RG78PN1599 RD510 SD6 ED11 SN147

Registration District:
Sheffield Sub District:
East Brightside Enumeration District:
11 Parish:
Sheffield

Address:
96 Greystock St Sheffield County:
Yorkshire (West riding)

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1901 England Census
about Mary Horan
Name: Mary Horan
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Sheffield
Ecclesiastical parish: Hollis Croft Sheffield St Luke
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 54
Piece: 4365
Folio: 84
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Horan 40 (Married) Edge Tools Warehouse Woman
Annie Bramhall 33 (Visitor)
Eliza Melia 17 (Servant)

Well done Patchem!

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1861 England Census
Herbert Rawson
Age: 9 MO Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Son Father's Name: William Rawson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Rawson
Gender: Male Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield Ecclesiastical parish: St James County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: West Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Household schedule number: 141 Piece: 3479 Folio: 34 Page Number: 27
William Rawson 28
Elizabeth Rawson 24
George H Rawson 9
Herbert Rawson 9 MO
George H Sayles 28
Henry Bargh 24
Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3479; Folio: 34; Page: 27; GSU roll: 543138.

Following on from what Patchem found:

1891 England Census
about Thomas Horan Name: Thomas Horan
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Mary Horan
Gender: Male
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Brightside Bierlow
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 40
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3833
Folio: 57
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
James Horan 27
Mary Horan 30
Herbert Horan 6
Thomas Horan 4
George Horan 2

The 3 boys are all stepsons.

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Deaths Dec 1888
RAWSON Herbert 28 Sheffield 9c 284

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Marriages Dec 1890
Burgess James Henry Sheffield 9c 970
Horan James Sheffield 9c 970
Jones Nellie Sheffield 9c 970
Rawson Mary Sheffield 9c 970

Is this your Grandfather??

Births Mar 1887 (>99%)
Rawson Thomas Henry Sheffield 9c 419

Hello Verna..was it your Grandfather born Sheffield 1887..or was it Herbert?????.if it was your Grandfather..his first name would help.....

Derek.

Marriages Jun 1882 (>99%)
Carlon Mary Sheffield 9c 745
RAWSON Herbert Sheffield 9c 745

I have my grandfather's birth cert. and his parents are Herbert Rawson and Mary formerly Carlan or Carlon. Born in Sheffield Yorks 24th Jan 1887. The address is 18 Court, Hollis Croft, Sheffield. Anybody else have these people?
I have not been able to find Herbert and Mary on the census
Thanks
Verna