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Hi,
I am searching for my Great Grandmother. Her son was born illigitemate in Belhelvie. He was brought up by Forbes family, can't narrow down who his mother is. He is Alexander Pirie but there seems to be Forbes, Mackie, Milne and Pirie names involved. Would anyone have the slightest knowledge of either these names and Belhelvie area.

Thank you

what is the name of your gt.grandmother? and you have not given us any dates to help

Try looking for his birth, and buy the cert

Scotlands people has Scottish bmd's - it is not a subscription site, so you'll need to purchase credits. The same site also has 1911 Scotland census

When asking for help - date info is vital. No-one can begin to try to help without it

I would honestly doubt that this man is your grandfather

Name: Alexander Pirie
Age: 74
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 168/1
Registration district: St Nicholas
Civil parish: Aberdeen West
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: 8 St Andrew Street
Occupation: Trinterers's Message Boy
ED: 11
Household schedule number: 115
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_50
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Forbes 59
William Forbes 25
Grace Forbes 17
Alexander Pirie 74
Andrew Main 30
Charles Main 19

These are the only other Piries born Belhevie on 1901 Scotland census



Mary Pirie abt 1830 Belhelvie, aberdeensh Aunt Ardclach Nairnshire

James Pirie Margaret abt 1831 Belhelvie, Aberdeen Head Orphir Orkney

George Pirie Isabella abt 1833 Belhelvie, Aberdeen Head Orphir Orkney

Thomson Pirie Jean abt 1844 Belhelvie, Aberdeen Head Skene Aberdeenshire

David Pirie Annie abt 1847 Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire Head Orphir Orkney

Eliza Pirie John abt 1870 Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire Wife Kemnay Aberdeenshire

Wm Pirie Isabella abt 1877 Aberdeenshire, Belhelvie Head Aberdeen Old Machar Aberdeenshire

Flora Pirie Andrew,
Mina abt 1897 Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire Daur (Daughter) Belhelvie Aberdeenshire

Jeannie Pirie Andrew,
Mina abt 1900 Belhelvie, Aberdeenshire Daur (Daughter) Belhelvie Aberdeenshire

This is the family for the last two on the list above


Name: Andrew Pirie
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Mina Pirie
Gender: Male
Where born: Peterhead, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 174
Registration district: Belhelvie
Civil parish: Belhelvie
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Middlemuir Cottage
Occupation: Ploughman On Farm
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 51
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_64
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew Pirie 31
Mina Pirie 29 born Birness
Charles Pirie 9 born Ellon
Maggie C Pirie 7 born Ellon
Flora Pirie 4
Jeannie Pirie 1

How do you know that he was born in Belhelvie if you don't know his mother's name then I would assume that you don't have either a birth certificate or christening record for him?

When and where did he marry please? If he married in Scotland after 1855 then the names of both his parents will be on the marriage certificate if he knew the details.

You must have more information that you have given here. If you want help you need to disclose all the information that you have.

Given the area that you are searching, personally I just hope he doesn't turn out to be another illegitimate child of my OHs Great Grandmother lol. She had seven that we know of with 4 different fathers! Two of her children were raised by the paternal grandparents. Some of the births were recorded only in her maiden surname (although a couple have an RCE added to the registration stating the paternity of the child) and three of the births were registered by her and the father.

I have his birth cert. Born 13 Mar 1887 mother's name (signed) Maggie Pirie. From the age of 1yr he is with the Forbes family. The Middlemuire, Belhelvie is weird as I have a marriage there for George Forbes and Catherine Mackie just after Alexander's birth. Can't make sense of all the info I have.... will have to go through it all again along with the messages you've given me.

Thanks all

Ruth xx

If only you'd told us that at the outset...........still, better late than never

Can we assume you have all the census info about him?

I now almost everything about Alexander, it's just that I can't find info to clarify EXACTLY which Margaret (Maggie) Pirie is his mother...... hundreds of them up here. It does seem he was raised by the Forbes family and the weird/funny thing is I have found a Maggie/Margaret Pirie brought with another Forbes family a generation earlier!! Is it her??? I'm trying to establish a link between the 2 Forbes families involved.... but it is a bottomless pit at the moment. :-0 Drowning under paperwork and info about them.... but no link yet.
I have plenty of experience (7 years) of researching my tree and left it for a while on this part of tree... luckily have found some new info available but still not a Eureka moment as yet.

Thanks all xx

must get back to Specsavers - read it as Pine!!

the Pirie's of Aberdeen were mega rich!!!!!!

1881Alexander G. PIRIE Head M Male 45 Aberdeen, Scotland Paper Manufacturer
Barbara H. PIRIE Wife M Female 35 Glasgow, Scotland
Francis D. PIRIE Son Male 13 Aberdeen, Scotland Scholar
Helen M. PIRIE Daur Female 11 London, London, Middlesex, England Scholar
Ada J. PIRIE Daur Female 9 Scotland Scholar
George Lawrence PIRIE Son Male 5 Scotland
Isabel H. WATSON Mother In Law W Female 66 Glasgow, Scotland
Wilhelmenia A. LOBELACEY Governess U Female 32 Germany Governess
Milicent STUART H Keeper U Female 51 London Highgate, London, Middlesex, England Housekeeper
Rose CORDELL Serv U Female 24 Harlow, Essex, England Cook
Janet OSBORNE Serv U Female 19 Killearn, Scotland Kitchenmaid
Janet DICKSON Serv U Female 18 Muirkirk, Scotland Scullery Maid
Helen MICHIE Serv U Female 42 Aberdeen, Scotland Line
Ann MACGREGOR Serv U Female 25 Drymuir, Scotland Head Housemaid
Eliza WALKER Serv U Female 19 Scotland Nurse
Katherine C. MILES Serv U Female 22 Millgreen, Hertford, England Housemaid
Louisa A. HILTON Serv U Female 18 London, London, Middlesex, England Housemaid
Mathild F. MOLINER Serv U Female 27 Paris, France Ladys Maid
Archibald GLAUDINNING Serv U Male 43 Scotland Butler
James CRABTREE Serv U Male 24 Ayr, Scotland Footman
(Continued)


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Source Information:
Dwelling 26 Queens Gate
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341005
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0022 / 47
Page Number 16

At last have found and confirmed the Margaret Pirie on my tree. But need some help for more info please. Here are the details I have.

Margaret Jane Pirie, b 20 March 1869 at 3 Nelson Street, Aberdeen. Illigetimate to Jane Milne and Walter Pirie. Jane later marries James Forbes. Found Margaret (or Maggie) in 1871 census and 1881 census she is with mother and stepfather in Potterton, Aberdeenshire.
Nothing thereafter! She was a domestic servant on her son's birth cert., and she would have been only 17 years old. Her son is then brought up by another branch of the Forbes family.
I would like to find her on census, or marriage or death..... have looked extensively but many hands and new eyes may help...
Thank you x

Posting this for ref.

1881

Name: Margaret Perrie
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relationship: Stepdaughter
Mother's Name: Jane Forbes
Gender: Female
Where born: Belhelvie, Aberdeen
Registration number: 174
Registration district: Belhelvie
Civil parish: Belhelvie
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Potterton Village
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 33
Line: 14
Roll: cssct1881_55
Household Members: Name Age
James Forbes 35
Jane Forbes 32
James Forbes 2
Mary Fobes 11 Months
Margaret Perrie 11

1891

Name: Jane Forbes
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Foveran, Aberdeen Shire
Registration number: 174
Registration district: Belhelvie
Civil parish: Belhelvie
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Hill of Balmedie
Occupation: Crofter's Wife
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1891_58
Household Members: Name Age
Jane Forbes 42
James Forbes 12
Mary Forbes 10
Barbara Ann Forbes 8
Jane Forbes 6
George Forbes 6

1901

Name: Jane Forbes
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : James Forbes
Gender: Female
Where born: Foveran, Aberdeenshire
Registration number: 174
Registration district: Belhelvie
Civil parish: Belhelvie
County: Aberdeenshire
Address: Hill Of Balmedie
Occupation: Crofters Wife
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 12
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1901_64
Household Members: Name Age
James Forbes 54
Jane Forbes 53
Jane Forbes 16



Have you found the death registrations for James and Jane Forbes to check the informant please?

It may be worth following her half siblings forward as she may have been a witness (perhaps using a married surname) at one of the marriages/

Oh thanks for that idea, will do just that

Regards
Ruth