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Hi can anyone help me try and find Grandmothers birth family.
Her name Vera Margaret Baker born in 9/4/ 1919 to Sarah Annie Baker at queen charlottes hospital, she was living at 8 Macroom road Maida Hill Paddington occupation Domestic cook at time of birth. I have found her at this address 1918 & 1919 census . We dont know if she was adopted at birth. Adopted (we pressume) by Rosina Kirby & Mr Jamieson, although they got together after 1920 when Rosina's first husband Kirby died, Vera Baker took Jamieson name although Rosina & mr Jamieson never married. !! any advice would be much appreciated on how I can go forward in my search. thankyou kind regards Angela

Is this the couple? If so Vera isn't with them in 1939. Who did Vera marry?

1939 register:
Jamieson Household (2 People) 8 Loseberry Road , Esher U.D., Surrey, England

Roseina (Rosina) Jamieson (Kirby) 28 Jun 1880 Female Cook Married
William Jamieson 28 Jan 1875 Male Gardener Domestic Married

For helpers' reference;

Sarah Annie Baker
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name: Sarah Annie Baker
Year: 1919
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington and St Marylebone
Street address: 8 St. Simon's Vicarage

Image says 8 Macroom Road, no mention of vicarage.
Ancestry ER transcriptions are dreadful, anyway.

I don't suppose the birth cert gives Sarah's age, does it?
That would be helpful!

Argyll- what would be the criteria for listing on the electoral register in 1919? (Age , status wise?)

From Wikipedia:

Political movement towards women's suffrage began during the war and in 1918, the Parliament of the United Kingdom passed an act granting the vote to: women over the age of 30 who were householders, the wives of householders, occupiers of property with an annual rent of £5, and graduates of British universities.



Doesn't sound like a young unmarried domestic servant, I must say.

Continuing from Wikipedia:

About 8.4 million women gained the vote.[1in 1918] In November 1918, the Parliament (Qualification of Women) Act 1918 was passed, allowing women to be elected into Parliament. By 1928 the consensus was that votes for women had been successful. With the Conservative Party in full control in 1928, it passed the Representation of the People (Equal Franchise) Act that extended the voting franchise to all women over the age of 21, granting women the vote on the same terms as men

So - Sarah would have had to be born 1888 at latest


This one's a domestic cook and is old enough - though not fulfilling other status requirements above:.

Sarah Annie Baker
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Sarah Annie Baker
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Servant
Gender: Female
Birth Place: York, York, England
Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 30 Addison Gardens, Kensington, London W
Marital Status: Single
Registration district: Kensington
Registration District Number: 2
Sub-registration district: Kensington South
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Piece: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
Emma Maria Caillard 59
Kathleen Witres Copland Griffiths 21
Inoy Copland Griffiths 20
Louisa Woods 49
Ellen Ruth Laxton 25
Sarah Annie Baker 24 - born Thornaby on Tees
Edith Myra Baker 21 - born Maidenhead


Possibly her birth:

Births Sep 1886 (>99%)
Baker Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 578

Thanks Argyll- Was thinking the same- she wouldn't have been a young girl.

Just in case - this will be the Sarah in 1911 above:

Sarah A Baker
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Sarah A Baker
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: John Wm Baker
Mother: Sarah E Baker
Birth Place: Thornaby, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Thornaby
Ecclesiastical parish: Thornaby St Paul
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Thornaby
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4588
Folio: 86
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 14
Household Members:
Name Age
John Wm Baker 49
Sarah E Baker 44
John Baker 17
Sarah A Baker 14
Fred Baker 12
William C Baker 10
Eva Baker 7
Elsie Baker 6
Eva V Baker 4 [Ena V on image] - Ena Victoria on birth record.

Several births in right area

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Jun 1884 (>99%)
BAKER Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 644
Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
Baker Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 639
Births Sep 1886 (>99%)
Baker Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 578


One marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
BAKER Sarah Annie Middlesbro' 9d 1363
PICKERING George Middlesbro' 9d 1363

1911

George Pickering 28
Sarah Annie Pickering 26

so probably the 1884 birth.




Andy

All a stab in the dark, though, without knowing how old Sarah Annie was when Vera was born.

Oh fantastic all these replies i cant thank you enough for looking into this, I have the birth certificate for Vera Margaret Baker , but sadly no age for Sarah Annie Baker. Vera's apparent adoptive parents Mr Jamieson & Rosina Kirby Widower of John Kirby (John died 1920) Rosina and John had a daughter Rosina Margarette Byrell Kirby in 1901, I believe Vera went to live with Rosina Margarette and husband Stephen phillips at some point not sure the exact year. Rosina Kirby died and death cert gives her name as Rosina Jamieson previous Kirby , widower of Mr Kirby. a bit confusing.
Argyllgran are you saying that as Sarah Annie Baker is on Census 1918/19 living at no.8 Macroom road, then she must have been over 30yrs of age. so she would, strange you always presume and unmarried young girl.
so the Sarah Annie in 1901 & 1911 are the same person so worth me looking at her and her family that is fantastic, I don't know how you do it but that is a great help thank you everyone so much appreciated. kind Regards Angela

Angela -

I'm not saying that the Sarah Annie in 1901 & 1911 is definitely your Sarah - just that she is a suitable age to have been listed on the Electoral Roll (not a census) in 1918, she is a domestic cook, and she's living in London.

In 1918 and 1919 Sarah has the letter O against her name, which indicates she is listed as eligible to vote by reason of her occupation (per the notes at the beginning of the ER).

EDIT (CORRECTION):
Sorry - not her occupation as in her job, but her occupation of the property.

However -
There are several people called Sarah Ann or Annie Baker in the 1911 census, of an appropriate age, in various places. Just because your Sarah was in London in 1918, it doesn't mean she was there in 1911.

It's unfortunate that we don't have any more clues to who she was.

Re Macroom Road -
per the 1911 census records, I see that 8 Macroom Road was indeed St Simon's Vicarage.
In 1911 the vicar was Walter Patteson Legg, who lived there with his sister Fanny, a boarder and two servants.

EDIT: - No, it wasn't. Silly me went by the mistranscription on Ancestry. I should know better. I DO know better!

The London Metropolitian Archives hold admins and discharge records of Queen Charlottes which was situated Marylebone Road,

They carry good details such as age, address.status..when and time of admittiance date of discharge.


maybe possible to see the details of the child such as weight/length/ and delivery notes*******.if this hast got 100year closure.

of course I totally understand why you chose that Sarah Annie, but yes it is just a shot in the dark but so worth looking into the family, as for Macroom road and the Vicarage. maybe she moved away from home for the year whilst pregnant possibly. as a domestic cook at the vicarage. thank you so much for all your help
kind regards
~Angela

Hi Kay thank you for the information regarding London Metropolitan Archives I have just been on web site but struggling to find how to search records, can you give me any info on how I would do this sorry to be a pain.
thanks again
Kind regards
Angela :-S

Ah, that's why I didn't see her listed- she was already married in 1939:

1939 Register:
Welch Household (4 People) 20 Homersham Road , Kingston-upon-Thames M.B., Surrey, England

Mabel Welch 24 Nov 1875 Female Governers Widowed
John D Goodman 03 Jan 1914 Male Aircraft Shoe & Metal Works Married
Vera M Goodman 07 Apr 1919 Female Clerk Electrical Engineer Married
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Marriage:
Marriages Jun 1939 (>99%)
Baker Vera M Goodman Staines 3a 131
Jamieson Vera Goodman Staines 3a 131
Goodman John D Baker Staines 3a 131
Goodman John D Jamieson Staines 3a 131
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Death listed under Jamieson and Goodman:

Name: Vera Margaret Jamieson
Name: Vera Margaret Goodman
Birth Date: 7 Apr 1919
Date of Registration: Nov 2005
Age at Death: 86
Registration district: Taunton
Inferred County: Devon, Somerset
Register Number: A83B
District and Subdistrict: 724/1A
Entry Number: 189

Hi Austin , yes that is correct her birth name is Vera Margaret Baker, adoptive name Jamieson, married name Goodman thank you

Maybe not helpful to the search, but Rosina and William Jamieson were living together before 1920. She is listed on the electoral registers as Jamieson at 41 Eve Road Isleworth in 1918.

William, also lists Rosina as his next of kin when he enlists in 1918- he refers to her as Rosina Kirby, housekeeper of 41 Eve Road.

William's wife, Amelia, died in 1913

Walter Patteson legg still at The Vicarage 1919 which seems to number 19,Macroom Road

Sarah Annie Baker at 8 Macroom Road so it would seem she had no connection to The Vicarage.

Maryb.