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I am hoping someone might be able to help with this very common name SMITH

What I know is John Smith Married Maud Elizabeth Carter in 1922 at Grimsby Lincs
Their children are (1) John William 1923 (2) Malcolm 1924 (3) Roy A 1928 (4) Reginald G 1929 (5) Norman 1931 (6) Ronald 1933, (7) Christine Alma 1937.We have all of the information on the children & Maud Elizabeth.
What we now want to know is why & when did John Smith leave his family, I know he wasn't with them on the 1939 Register so guess it to be between 1937 & 1939.
All we have on John is possibly came from Buckie in Scotland & that he was a Fisherman born about 1896.
A copy of their marriage certificate has been ordered which will give us an idea on when he was born & who his father was.
Any further information on John will be greatly received

Last Baptism details for Daughter...(see below link)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

Person abode 214 Macaulay Street
Father forename John
Father surname SMITH
Father occupation Trawler engineer
Mother forename Maud Elizabeth


(Address from 1939 below)

72 Duncombe Street , Grimsby C.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey),


Lincolnshire Monumental Inscriptions Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Maud Elizabeth
Last name Smith
Sex Female
Age 70
Birth year 1902
Death year 1972
Death date 20 Feb 1972
Headstone notes Mother of Magger, Norman, Maudie, Ronnie, Reggie and Girlie
Burial ground Cemetery
Location Scartho Road
Parish Grimsby
County Lincolnshire

Buckie would appear to come under the Rathven RD. (Banffshire)

There are 6 John Smiths born 1896 +/- 2years showing on the 1901 census as born Buckie.

The Marriage certificate will help.

4 of the families have Father's with different forenames - John, (a Carter, son John 7) George (a boat Builder, son John 6), Alexander (a Carter, son John 3) and William (a Draper's Assistant, son John G 5). 2 have no Father at home.

Of those 2 with only the Mother showing -

Margaret is a widow in 1901 with Alexander 10 and John 7 and in 1891 looks to be recently married with a son Alexander aged 0 - but husband again away (a Fisherman)

The other, Elizabeth, a Fisherman's wife, shows as married in 1901 (son John 4) and is possibly with husband George in 1891

could john be at war in 1939 could he have died

There are lots of closed records on the 1939 register so maybe his death hasn't been picked up

Maud gives her status as married

But there was 7 children. Two of which are opened so the 5 closed are likely the other 5

Just to let you know I have found the parents of my John Smith they were George Bodie Smith & Ann Farmer Murray. John was born 9th May 1894 at Buckie & died 27th June 1956 at Buckie.
Christmas wishes & thank you to everyone who have helped me on this wonderful site over the past year Ellen

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

(you would need above to find more, you need credits to view)

Chris :)

Edits (below from google search, with 1901)

https://www.bayanne.info/Shetland/getperson.php?personID=I342136&tree=ID1


1901 (Find My Past)
George Smith Head Married Male 48 1853 Boat Builder Banffshire, Scotland
Annie Smith Wife Married Female 44 1857 Boat Builders Wife Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Ann Smith Daughter Single Female 22 1879 Servt Domestic Banffshire, Scotland
George Smith Son Single Male 20 1881 Boat Builder Banffshire, Scotland
James Smith Son Single Male 19 1882 Boat Builder Banffshire, Scotland
Helen J Smith Daughter - Female 14 1887 Scholar Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
William Smith Son - Male 12 1889 Scholar Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
John Smith Son - Male 6 1895 Scholar Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Ethel Smith Daughter - Female 3 1898 - Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
108, Main Street, Buckie, Rathven, Banffshire


17 January 1925 - St. Andrews Citizen - St Andrews, Fife, Scotland

Marriage
Caseby - Smith
James Rodger, son of John Caseby, Balmullo, Leuchars, to Helen Jane, daughter of George Smith, 108 Main Street, Buckie.


01 March 1929 - Aberdeen Press and Journal - Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire

FAMED BUCKIE BOATBUILDER.
After a brief illness, the death has occurred of Mr George Smith, retired shipbuilder, at his residence, 103 Main Street, Buckie. A few days ago he attacked Influenzal pneumonia, to which succumbed on Wednesday night. Seveny seven years of age and a native of Buckie, where his father was a boatbuilder.
His boats were known from Shetland to the south of England, as craft of excellent design, and first class workmanship.

He is survived by his wife and a family of four sons and four daughters. His son William is mathematical master at Wick, and one of his daughters is the wife of John Tough, joint county clerk, Banff.


28 June 1956 - Aberdeen Evening Express - Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire,

Death
SMlTH - Suddenly, at 125, Main Street. Buckie, on Wednesday. June 27 1956 John Smith (engineer and teacher of technical subjects) beloved husband of Willamlna West. Funeral on Saturday. June 30, to New Cemetery Buckie, at 2pm.


(perhaps better to wait till you have the details from 1922 Marriage Cert...)

Thank You Chris Ho This is interesting information beloved husband of Willamina West maybe they were not married?

Yes waiting on the marriage Certificate to confirm the fathers name & occupation

In Scotland woman are often referred to by their maiden names even when married.

There is a possible marriage in 1930 for John Smith to Williamina West in St. Nicholas. If correct it's unlikely to be your man if he was still having children with Maud- unless the younger children weren't his?

Where did you get the details of your John Smith from?

Try North Lincs Archives, Town Hall Grimsby. They carry a large number of records of fishermen working out of Grimsby.

I am back on the trail again for John Smith. Marriage Certificate 3/5/1922 aged 27 years arrived has as his father John Smith occupation Blacksmith ( Master).

I found on Scotlands people another John Smith born 4/5/1894 to John Smith (Fisherman) & Jeannie Smith ( they married 28/3/1885 at Rathven probably not them as occupation is different?

I do not think the John Smith who married Williamina West is ours as he had a daughter to Maud Elizabeth Carter in 1937.

Information previous was given by a Ancestry member

And don't suppose there was any Smith Witnesses, lol...

Chris :)

(why Scotland in particular?)

Who were the witnesses?
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There is this family- father John is a blacksmith in 1891- they were a catholic family. John born 1893, but might be worth considering:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Main Street, Rathven, Banffshire, Scotland

John Smith Head Married Male 26 1865 Blacksmith Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Agnes Smith Wife Married Female 26 1865 Blacksmiths Wife Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland
Joseph Smith Son - Male 3 1888 - Banffshire, Scotland
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
5, Main Street, Buckie, Rathven, Banffshire, Scotland

John Smith Head Married Male 38 1863 Carter Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Agnes Smith Wife Married Female 38 1863 Carters Wife Elgin, Morayshire, Scotland
Joseph Smith Son - Male 13 1888 Scholar Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Agnes Smith Daughter - Female 9 1892 Scholar Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
John Smith Son - Male 7 1894 Scholar Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Elsie Smith Daughter - Female 4 1897 - Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
James Smith Son - Male 1 1900 - Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
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Scotland Roman Catholic Parish Baptisms

First name(s) John
Last name Smith
Sex Male
Birth date 19 Sep 1893
Baptism date 01 Oct 1893
Denomination Roman Catholic
Baptism place Buckie
Parish St Peter
Diocese Aberdeen
County Banffshire
Country Scotland
Father's name(s) John Smith
Mother's name(s) Agnes Maxwell
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John jnr is no longer with his parents in 1911

Witness's were Wm Oag & Cissy Falconer . John & Maud Elizabeth were living at 191 Stanley Street Grimsby Lincs at the time of their marriage, John was a 27 year old Marine Engineer.

I'm going out shortly-Just putting a few bits down to look at when I get back.

1922 Grimsby Directory has a J. Smith, marine engineer living at 369 Wellington Street.
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Not sure if this is related but on the 1939 register at 191 Stanley Street (Possibly coincidence as many Smiths in Stanley Street in the area directories):

Grengrass (Smith) Household (1 Person) 191 Stanley Street , Grimsby C.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey), England

Olive Grengrass (Smith) 04 Aug 1904 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married.

(Olive Smith was living alone, listed as married, then married James W Greengrass in 1941)
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William H Carter, fisherman is listed at 191 Stanley Street in 1922 Grimsby directory.
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
34 St Cuthberts Terrace Sunderland, Sunderland, Durham, England

Betsy Smith Head Married Female - 46 1865 Seaton Sluice Nthumberland
Edith Annie Smith Daughter Single Female - 20 1891 Sunderland Co Durham
John Bell Smith Son Single Male Marine Engineer Apprrenties 18 1893 Sunderland
Thomas Albert Smith Son Single Male School 7 1904 Sunderland Co Durham
Annie Wilkinson Boarder Widow Female Old Age Pensioner 74 1837 Sunderland

(Father was John W Smith, ship rivetter on 1901 census)

(might be someone he knew below!)

Chris :)

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Cleethorpes
Church name Municipal Cemetery
Register type Unspecified
Burial date 14 Jun 1939
Person age 45
Burial person forename William
Burial person surname OAG
Burial person abode 07 Pelham Sq
Register note Died 10 Jun 1939 Grimsby Hospital Otherelse William OAG CAMPBELL


1901 (Find My Past)
James Oag Head Married Male 59 1842 Formerly Fisherman Wick, Caithness, Scotland
Helen Oag Wife Married Female 62 1839 - Wick, Caithness, Scotland
James Oag Son Single Male 19 1882 Fisherman Caithness, Scotland
William O Campbell Grandson - Male 7 1894 Scholar Caithness, Scotland
Smith Terrace, 31, Pulteneytown, Wick, Caithness, Scotland


(if below for other Witness)

30 August 1924 - Edinburgh Evening News - Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

SANGSTER - At 12 Cambusnethan Street, on the 26th August, to Mr and Mrs GEORGE SANGSTER, a son. (CISSY FALCONER.)

This time we have definitely found John's parents, my friend was speaking with his cousin & he told him he had has his death certificate 24/12/1959 at Grimsby & his birth certificate 19/9/1893 parents John Smith & Agnes?
NATIONAL PROBATE CALENDAR
SMITH John of Flat 26 Ludlow Avenue Grimsby died 24 December 1959 at Springfield Hospital Grimsby Probate Lincoln 27 January to Florence Williamson Widow Effects 127 Pounds 19 Shillings 7 Pence

Thank you all for your help Merry Christmas & a happy & healthy 2018

(looks like AQ right above, so well done there!)

(and 24th today!)

Chris :)

Burial
County Lincolnshire
Place Grimsby
Church name Cemeter
Register type Unspecified
Burial date 29 Dec 1959
Person age 66
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname SMITH
Register note Died 24 Dec 1959


Edits (below from google search)

www.buckieheritage.org/pdf/1913.pdf

A new clock dial was fitted on St Peter's R. C. church this week. This is on the south side. The dial was made by John Smith, Blacksmith, Main Street with the clock works by John Smith and. Sons, Derby Works.