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Thank you i agree confusing . as i see them both on census later not sure she remarried Austin . Thanks anyway

Tracy, I'm sorry, I think I'm going to leave this.

The James Hooley in Manchester in 1851 was born 1781 in Cheadle Cheshire- he was listed as a Chelsea pensioner. I don't see the connection?

I'm not sure you are understanding the information I've posted about James Hooly's wife, Elizabeth, possibly remarrying Michael Lancaster in 1821.

I'm finding it a little frustrating, but I'm not sure how to explain the information differently. Perhaps someone else will help, or you might look through the information again?.

Good luck with your research.

James Hooley
Birth
27 Oct 1761
Baptism
15 Nov 1761 Saint Peter,Liverpool,Lancashire,England elizabeths maybe i got wrong abut the 1951 manchester census shows them 20 yrs apart but Argyl gran thinks its a misprint . but everything else fits and yeoman or remariage doesent as james was a surgeon

But where did you get the ages of Elizabeth Stockdale and James Hooley from?

EDIT: I suspect you are still looking at the wrong 1851 census. Did you see the information above?

what i have confirmed is elizabeth hooly born 1811 married joseph wingfield in 1838 her dad listed as james hooley surgeon his dad thomas wingfield spirit merchant. then james hooley married elizabeth stockdale james born 1760 elizabeth 1780.there mariage 1810 shows james as a surgeon
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Well done, AQ - managing to make sense of it all!

So just to be clear, Tracy -
The couple living in Ardwick and Cheshire, with son Lawrence, are definitely NOT the right family.
The age of 90 for that James in 1851 is a mistake in transcription - he was actually 70. Wrong age, wrong occupation, wrong place.

AQ has listed all the ins and outs of the correct family.

So Elizabeth Wingfield (nee Hooly) didn't disappear- she remarried shortly before the 1851 census to William Gerry/ Jerry:

Name: Elizabeth Wingfield
[Elizabeth Woolley]
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1851
Marriage Place: Walton-On -The Hill, Lancashire, England
Father: James Woolley
Spouse: William Thomas Gerry
FHL Film Number: 2147881
Reference ID: item 3-10 p 61
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Possibly her and WIlliam in 1851 (lodging with Jones family):

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
John Street, Toxteth Park Extra Parochial, West Derby, Lancashire, England

William Jerry Lodger - Male 40 1811 Mariner Kent, England
Elizabeth Jerry Lodger - Female 35 1816 Mariners Wife Liverpool, Lancashire
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Elizabeth then marries again in 1854 to Alexander Moore:

name(s) Elizabeth Jerry
Age 46
Marriage year 1854
Marriage place Liverpool
Father's name(s) James Hooley (surgeon)
Spouse's name(s) Alexander Moore (shipwright)
Spouse's age 57
Spouse's birth year 1797
Spouse's father's name(s) James Moore (farmer)
Spouse's previous spouse's last name prev married
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire

Tracy- I'm having trouble following the 'facts' you have.

I feel you are too easily dismissing the information I posted above.

You wrote:
"different one i think anne hooley her daughter born 1819 wrong age on census , and no early death record for james . mystery"

- Note that census ages cannot be taken as fact

- Just because you haven't found evidence of James death doesn't make them the incorrect people.
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In 1841 Elizabeth & Joseph Wingfield are living here in JONES STREET:

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Jones Street, Toxteth Park, West Derby, Lancashire, England

Robert Thompson Male 30 1811 -
Mary Thompson Female 25 1816 -
Partledge Thompson Male 6 1835 -
Robert Thompson Male 4 1837 Lancashire, England
John Thompson Male 1 1840 Lancashire, England
Joseph Wingfield Male 20 1821 Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Wingfield Female 25 1816 Lancashire, England
Phillis Wingfield Female 1 1840 Lancashire, England
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Her mother, now remarried is living in the SAME street with daughter Ann

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Jones Street, Toxteth Park, West Derby, Lancashire, England

Elizabeth Lancaster Female 50 1791 Publican
William Lancaster Male 17 1824 sail maker Lancashire, England
Ann Hooley Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England
John Hughes Male 40 1801 Lancashire, England
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Then in 1851 Elizabeth Lancaster is a visitor in the Thompson household- The SAME Thompson family that Elizabeth & Joseph Wingfield were living with/ next door to in 1841:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lansdowne Street, Toxteth Park Extra Parochial, West Derby, Lancashire,

Robert Thompson Head Married Male 45 1806 Butcher Journeyman Newcastle on Tyne,
Mary Thompson Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Durham,
Routledge Thompson Son - Male 14 1837 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
Robert Thompson Son - Male 12 1839 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
John Thompson Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
Thomas Thompson Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
Mary Thompson Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1845 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
Elizabeth Lancaster Visitor Widow Female 60 1791 - Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland,
William Lancaster Visitor Unmarried Male 25 1826 Sail Maker Journeyman Liverpool,
Mary Lewis Visitor Married Female 20 1831 - Loppington, Shropshire,
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Sorry to repeat information.

There was 20 yrs age difference between james and elizabeth Confusing is a good way of putting it lol thanks x

James Hooley
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts
Name James Hooley
Event Type Christening
Event Date 23 Sep 1781
Event Place Cheadle, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Father's Name Lawrence Hooley
Mother's Name Betty


Probable son:

Lawrence Hooley
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts
Name Lawrence Hooley
Event Type Christening
Event Date 08 Feb 1818
Event Place Stockport, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Father's Name James Hooley
Mother's Name Elizabeth Hooley

In 1851, there's a Lawrence Hooley living next door to James and Elizabeth.




Lawrence Hooley
England, Cheshire, School Records
Surname Hooley
Given Name Lawrence
Father's Name James Hooley
School Stockport Sunday School
Residence Place , Cheshire, England
Event Date 28 Dec 1828


The family in 1841:


James Hooley
in the 1841 England Census
Name: James Hooley
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Stockport
Hundred: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Stockport First District
Neighbors:
Piece: 113
Book: 7
Folio: 14
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hooley 60 - servant
Elizabeth Hooley 60
Laurence Hooley 20 - frame spinner


This is all too confusing.
Time I was in bed.

That doesn't feel like the right family to me, though.
Unless James was an army surgeon, it seems doubtful that he would later be a servant and then a Chelsea pensioner.

Possible marriage of that James ??

James Hooley
England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts
Name James Hooley
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 04 May 1802
Event Place Cheadle, Cheadle, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Spouse's Name Betty Hall



James Hooley
in the 1861 England Census
Name: James Hooley
Age: 80
Estimated Birth Year: 1781
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheadle, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Cheadle Moseley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: Stockport
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image
Registration district: Stockport
Sub-registration district: Stockport Second
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 11
Piece: 2568
Folio: 39
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Murga Dain 37
Elizabeth Winnes 25
Mary Ann Winnes 2
James Hooley 80 - widower, Chelsea pensioner
James Pearson 22

That couple in 1851 - he's a Chelsea pensioner, born Cheadle, Cheshire.
She's a housewife, born East [Something]


Elizabeth Hooley
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Hooley
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Hooley
Gender: Female
Where born: East??
Civil Parish: Ardwick
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Lancashire
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration district: Chorlton
Sub-registration district: Ardwick
ED, institution, or vessel: 5e
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 232
Piece: 2220
Folio: 132
Page Number: 56
Household Members:
Name Age
James Hooley 90 - on close inspection of image, I think it says 70.
Elizabeth Hooley 70



??? [ EDIT: Not if he's 70 in 1851 ]


James Hooley
England, Cheshire Parish Registers
Name James Hooley
Event Type Christening
Event Date 01 Feb 1761
Event Place St Mary, Stockport, Cheshire, England
Gender Male
Father's Name John Hooley
Mother's Name Elizabeth Hooley

i found a cencus 1951 shows them living in ardwick manch ester seems right as he is 90 and her 70

different one i think anne hooley her daughter born 1819 wrong age on census , and no early death record for james . mystery

There was certainly an Elizabeth Stockdale christened in London, daughter of a Joseph and Frances - but do you know if she's the right one?


Elizabeth Stockdale
England Births and Christenings
Name Elizabeth Stockdale
Gender Female
Christening Date 24 Dec 1780
Christening Date (Original) 24 DEC 1780
Christening Place ST ANN BLACKFRIARS,LONDON,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name Joseph Stockdale
Mother's Name Frances


BUT -
AQ has shown that Elizabeth Hooley (nee Stockdale) seems to have remarried, and later censuses show her born c1792 in Kirkby Stephen.


??

Elizabeth Stockdale
England Births and Christenings
Name Elizabeth Stockdale
Gender Female
Christening Date 20 Dec 1795
Christening Date (Original) 20 DEC 1795
Christening Place KIRKBY STEPHEN,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
Father's Name William Stockdale
Mother's Name Elizabeth Wilkinson

sorry Argyl gran elizabeth stockdale born in london to joseph and frances stockdale

James was a mariner . they married 1938 daughter phylis listed as illis . but they disappear maybe went to sea. its the parentage of James her dad a surgeon . i am struggling with i did look at hooley history apparently 3 generations of surgeons somewhere . but various spellings on the name difficult

Brother James- a merchant seaman:

Britain, merchant seamen
First name(s) James
Last name Hooley
Birth year 1815
Birth date 05 Aug 1815
Birth place Liverpool
Birth county/country Lancashire
Capacity: Sail maker
Archive The National Archives
Series BT113
Piece number 163
Date range 1845-1854
Record set Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1835-1857

I'm a bit confused on this thread but adding just in case it's relevant:

Name: Elizabeth Hooly
Age: 3
Birth Date: 28 Jun 1811
Baptism Date: 14 Aug 1814
Baptism Place: St Peter's Priory, Lancashire, England
Father: James Hooly
Mother: Elizabeth Holly
Born and privately baptised 28 June 1811
God parents: ? & Elizabeth Hooly

A possible sister:

Name: Ann Hooly
Birth Date: 26 Jul 1819
Baptism Date: 25 Dec 1819
Baptism Place: St Peter's Priory, Lancashire, England
Father: James Hooly
Mother: Elizabeth Holly
God parents: William & Mary Hooly

and brother:

Name: James Hooley
Age: 0
Birth Date: 5 Aug 1814
Baptism Date: 14 Aug 1814
Baptism Place: St Peter's Priory, Lancashire, England
Father: James Hooley
Mother: Elizabeth Hooley
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Did their mother remarry?

name(s) Elizabeth Hooley (Widow)
Marriage date Jan 1821
Marriage place Liverpool
Spouse's name(s) Michael Lancaster (Victualler)
Spouse's previous spouse's last name prev married
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
County Lancashire
Edward Coventry jun. & Rich Barr?
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Looks like she did remarry- living with daughter Ann in the same street as her daughter Elizabeth (Wingfield).

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Jones Street, Toxteth Park, West Derby, Lancashire, England

Elizabeth Lancaster Female 50 1791 Publican
William Lancaster Male 17 1824 sail maker Lancashire, England
Ann Hooley Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England
John Hughes Male 40 1801 Lancashire, England

(Elizabeth not born in county)
Possible death for Ann Hooley in 1841, after the census
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1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Lansdowne Street, Toxteth Park Extra Parochial, West Derby, Lancashire,

Robert Thompson Head Married Male 45 1806 Butcher Journeyman Newcastle on Tyne,
Mary Thompson Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Durham,
Routledge Thompson Son - Male 14 1837 Scholar Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland
Robert Thompson Son - Male 12 1839 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
John Thompson Son - Male 10 1841 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
Thomas Thompson Son - Male 8 1843 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
Mary Thompson Daughter Unmarried Female 6 1845 Scholar Liverpool, Lancashire,
Elizabeth Lancaster Visitor Widow Female 60 1791 - Kirkby Stephen, Westmorland,
William Lancaster Visitor Unmarried Male 25 1826 Sail Maker Journeyman Liverpool, Lancashire
Mary Lewis Visitor Married Female 20 1831 - Loppington, Shropshire,

So Elizabeth was born in Kirkby? Or do I have the wrong family!

We can only work from the info you've given us, Tracy.

You didn't tell us you'd found Elizabeth's birth in Liverpool (at least I assume you mean Elizabeth Stockdale's birth?) - nor that James was in London.

He was apparently in Liverpool in 1814 for his daughter's baptism.

Please can you post the records you found?