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Hi I now have a copy of the death of Jane Gallagher
Death 13/1/1866 Merry Street, Motherwell
Wife of James Gallagher Coalminer (Informant)
parents James Coil Labourer and Jane Lynch (Deceased)
Both James and Elizabeth died of Lyphus Fever
Ian
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You mean James & Jane? (not James and Elizabeth?)
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Still can't see them in 1871 as Gallagher, or Lizzie as Russell.
Maybe they were taken by Irish relatives.
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Hi
Janes father James coil Labourer is still around I will see if I can find him in a census.
Ian
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Probably nothing to do with it, as we don't know of children Patrick and Jean, but here are children of those names boarding with a Jean Russell.
I don't see their births.
Patrick Gallacher
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: Patrick Gallacher
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalzeel, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 625/2
Registration district: Holytown
Civil Parish: Bothwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Old Highsethead
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 141
LINE: 24
Roll: CSSCT1871_118
Household Members:
Name Age
Jean Russell 51
Janet Russell Endly 13
James Galloway 12
Hannah Galloway 9
Jean Gallacher 11 - Bothwell <<<<<<<<<<
Patrick Gallacher 6 - <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
[and other children with other surnames ]
Patrick Gallacher
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: Patrick Gallacher
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Dalziel, Lanark
Registration Number: 625/2
Registration district: Holytown
Civil Parish: Bothwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Old Highsethead
Occupation: Labourer At Iron Work
ED: 2
LINE: 19
Roll: cssct1881_204
Household Members:
Name Age
Jean Russell 61
Jean Russell 1
Ann Galloway 19
Margaret Watson 15
Janet Torley 9
Rosann Flanigan 9
Catherine Flanigan 5
Patrick Gallacher 16 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Alexander Stewart 15
John Breckenridge 9
David Robertson 5
William Gallocher 22 - Bothwell, visitor <<<<<<<<<<<
Philip Riley 18
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??? some similarities to Lizzie's family-
James Gallocher
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: James Gallocher
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Jane Gallocher
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 625/2
Registration district: Holytown
Civil Parish: Bothwell
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 22 Bairds Sq
Occupation: Labourer Colliery
ED: 10
Household schedule number: 18
LINE: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_92
Household Members:
Name Age
James Gallocher 39 - Ireland
Jane Gallocher 40 - Ireland
James Gallocher 12 - Ireland (a couple of years "out" from James baptised Ardstraw)
Bridget Gallocher 6 - Bothwell
William Gallocher 4 - Bothwell - matches "our" William
Jane Gallocher 2 - Bothwell
John Gallocher 4 Mo - matches "our" John
Maybe the child Jane could be Jean with Jean Russell in 1871 ???
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Hi
Did you notice that James Gallagher and Jane Coil had a son born 25 Oct 1864 Dalziel, Lanark, Scotland
Ian
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Yes, I posted Thomas's birth record on page 2 of this thread. (Or it may be his baptism in spite of the transcription saying "birth".)
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This census record from FS doesn't seem to be on Ancestry.
Can someone have a look at FMP, and see if this is Lizzie's brother, please?
Thomas Gallagher
Scotland Census, 1871
Name Thomas Gallagher
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Gender Male
Age 7
Birthplace Lanarkshire
Registration District Hutchesontown
County Lanarkshire
Birth Year (Estimated) 1864
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Thomas Gallagher born 25/10/1864 Ballies Land, Motherwell James Gallagher & Jane Coil married 1844 Ireland
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Not that one ArgyllGran
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
71, Crown Street, Govan, Hutchesontown, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Gallagher Head Married Male 38 1833 Cotton Spinner Cambuslang, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Mary Gallagher Wife Married Female 32 1839 - Ireland
Thomas Gallagher Son - Male 7 1864 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Gallagher Son - Male 5 1866 - England
Elizabeth Gallagher Daughter - Female 3 1868 - England
Francis Gallagher Son - Male 1 1870 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
I still think that is our Elizabeth Russell / Gallagher on the 1881 census in Bridgeton that I posted earlier. This makes me think that her brothers may be lurking on the census records using the surnames of their "adopted" parents.
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You may be right, RG.
I'm a little doubtful about her stated birthplace of New Monkland. It seems too definite a place-name to be an alternative or mistake for Bothwell/Holytown. Of course a later census did say she was born in Shotts, so who knows?!
There was an Elizabeth Russell born in New Monkland in 1860.
Elizabeth Russell
Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950
birth:
8 March 1860
NEW MONKLAND, LANARK, SCOTLAND
father:
Robert Russell
mother:
Janet Norton
She's with her parents and siblings in 1871, but not in 1881.
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Hmm. It way be that Elizabeth Russell then but bit of a coincidence that she was in Bridgeton and had the same occupation as our Elizabeth.
I wonder if the Poor Relief records for that part of Lanarkshire have survived. I think the Mitchell Library have some and they are indexed. Someone must have taken the children in when they were orphaned in 1866.
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Apologies if already posted, I've been out all day. Perhaps one of these could be our Elizabeth? (not that it helps!):
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Barlinnie Farm House, Shettleston, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Archibald Buchanan Head Married Male 52 1829 Kilmarnock, Farmer 70 Acres Emp 1 Man & 2 Girls
Agnes Buchanan Wife Married Female 48 1833 Kilmarnock, Dunbartonshire, Scotland -
Elizabeth Buchanan Daughter Unmarried Female 12 1869 Kilmarnock, Dunbartonshire,Scholar
Jean Buchanan Daughter Unmarried Female 8 1873 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scholar
Agnes Buchanan Daughter Unmarried Female 5 1876 Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland -
Grace Buchanan Daughter Unmarried Female 2 1879 Glasgow, Lanarkshire,
Elizabeth Russell Servant Unmarried Female 21 1860 Holytown, Lanarkshire,Domestic Servant
Ann Smith Servant Unmarried Female 21 1860 Falkirk, Stirlingshire, Domestic Servant
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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
High Walton Farm, Mearns, Renfrewshire, Scotland
John Paisley Head Married Male 52 1829 Mearns, Renfrew, Farmer (100 Acres Of Which 90 Are Arable Employing 2 Men & 2 Girls)
Jane Paisley Wife Married Female 42 1839 Neilston, Renfrewshire, Farmers Wife
John Paisley Son - Male 1 1880 Mearns, Renfrewshire, Scotland -
Ann G Paisley Daughter - Female 12 1869 Neilston, Renfrewshire, Scholar
Andrew Cooper Servant Unmarried Male 20 1861 Eaglesham, Renfrewshire, Farm Servant
Alexander Meikle Servant Unmarried Male 23 1858 Barrhead, Renfrewshire, Farm Servant
Bella Craig Servant Unmarried Female 28 1853 Darran, Buteshire, Scotland General Servant
Elizabeth Russell Servant Unmarried Female 20 1861 Shotts, Lanarkshire,General Servant
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Age out, but only census record I could find (on FMP) that suggested 'adopted daughter' under Russell or Gallagher:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Mcnicols Land, 41, New Airdrie Road, Shettleston (Barony), Shettleston, Lanarkshire,
Agnes Russell Head Widow Female 60 1811 - Old Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Hunter Adopted Son Unmarried Male 14 1857 Coal Miner Glasgow, Lanarkshire,
George Hunter Adopted Son - Male 8 1863 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire,
Elizabeth Russel Adopted Daughter - Female 8 1863 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire,
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The 1881 Shettleston one is a possibility AustinQ as it's not too far from Bridgeton where "our" Elizabeth married David Allan in 1882. I think the Mearns one is a bit too far away. Maybe we should follow up that Agnes Russell?
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That Agnes's maiden name was Hall so that doesn't help any.
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I still think the 1881 census that I posted on page 1 is our Elizabeth. I know the birthplace isn't accurate but that address is Main Strett. When Elizabeth married in 1882 her address was John Street (now called Tullis Street) which is just off Main Street. Let me see if I can find David Allen in 1881.
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What details were given for David Allan on the marriage cert?
Is this his death?:
ALLAN
DAVID
45
1891
644/11 146
Hutchesontown
If so, he was born c1846.
The only unmarried David Allan who matches that in the 1881 census in Glasgow area is this one:
David Allan
in the 1881 Scotland Census
Name: David Allan
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/12
Registration district: Gorbals
Civil Parish: Glasgow Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Occupation: General Porter
ED: 72
Household schedule number: 40
LINE: 7
Roll: cssct1881_248
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Brown 29
Bridget Brown 25
Catherine Brown 2
Eliza Brown 1 Mo
David Allan 35
But that death could be another David Allan, born c1846, who was married to a Sarah, had children, lived in Hutchesontown, and died between 1881 and 1891.
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Hi
David Allan married Lizzie 1882 Bachelor, Ironmongers porter, parents Thomas (Coach Painter) and Mary McCourty / McCourtie.
Name:Thomas Allan
Age:51
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1790
Gender:Male
Where born:Ireland
Civil Parish:Liverpool
Hundred:Liverpool
County/Island:Lancashire
Country:England
Street address: Finch Street
Occupation:
Registration district:Liverpool
Sub-registration district:Islington
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:558
Book:2
Folio:25
Page Number:42
Household Members:
Name
Age
Thomas Allan 51
Mary Allan 33
Thomas Allen 4
Margaret Allen 2 Mo
Thomas died 1850 Liverpool
Ian
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