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Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Sally	Report	2 Jul 2018 15:22
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Hi, On a marriage cert, (on Ancestry) Bride Christiana HASTINGS, Bridegroom William BELL Sept 1858 in Taunton. The father of the bride is Frederick Hastings, Traveller.?? Could someone check that info correct please. William died and Christiana married again in Newcastle to a William Carr LILBURN, Dec 1870 under the name Christiana Hastings BELL. But her father is listed as a CHARLES.?? I have sent for the 2nd wedding cert today as I can't see the cert, just the info. on Ancestry. If Frederick was a traveller are there any good sites to find info.? Thank you Sally
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 12,081 Send Message	Andrew	Report	2 Jul 2018 15:44
	Yes, Frederick Bell is a traveller on record. Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914 Name: Christiana Hastings Gender: Female Age: 46 Birth Year: abt 1812 Marriage or Bann Date: 10 Jul 1858 Marriage Place: Corfe, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Corfe Search Photos: Search for 'Corfe' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection Father: Federick Hastings Spouse: William Bell Andy
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Sally	Report	2 Jul 2018 16:14
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Hi Andy, I thought that's what it said.... Frederick HASTINGS - Traveller not Frederick Bell though. !!!! Thank you.
Member Since: February 2003 Posts: 12,081 Send Message	Andrew	Report	2 Jul 2018 16:19
	Sorry yes Hastings. My bad.
Member Since: December 2009 Posts: 13,442 Send Message	Maddie	Report	2 Jul 2018 16:33
	appears twice in 1871 unless two different persons Name: Christiana Lilburn Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Lilburn Gender: Female Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England Civil Parish: Tynemouth Ecclesiastical parish: Tynemouth Town: North Shields County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Tynemouth Sub-registration district: Tynemouth ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 207 Piece: 5117 Folio: 67 Page Number: 31 Household Members: Name Age William Lilburn 53 Christiana Lilburn 50 Christina Hastings Event Type Census Event Date 1871 Event Place Westgate, Northumberland, England Enumeration District 10 Gender Female Age 54 Marital Status Married Occupation Nurse Relationship to Head of Household Visitor Birth Year (Estimated) 1817 Birthplace Norfolk Entry Number 9 Affiliate Image Identifier GBC/1871/5073/0088 Household Role Sex Age Birthplace Ann Burniss Head F 64 Durham Mary An Hetherington Servant F 14 Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland Christina Hastings Visitor F 54 Norfolk Citing this Record "England and Wales Census, 1871", database with images, FamilySearch
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Sally	Report	2 Jul 2018 16:48
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Thanks Maddie, Is it the same person. ??? My Husband's Grandmother was also listed at two different houses on the electrol register. I will have to look into it more.!!!! Sally
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Sally	Report	2 Jul 2018 20:21
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Just a couple of questions. I was wondering are travellers listed on census lists.? And, as i have never had the need before, are there any tips in looking for travellers. Many thanks Sally
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	2 Jul 2018 22:04
	You might find this site helpful: https://rtfhs.org.uk/gypsy_identity/ Dea x
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,107 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	2 Jul 2018 23:45
	Note that Traveller could also mean Travelling Salesman, a very common occupation ......... ........I don't believe Traveller was used back then for gypsies.
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.
Member Since: January 2003 Posts: 49,504 Send Message	Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it	Report	3 Jul 2018 07:40
	Hubby's grandfather was a traveller but he was a salesman for tobacco and fancy goods for his father's business They weren't gypsies
	Researching: Surname Fahse. Germany. Essex .South East London My avatar is one of our wedding photos of 1957
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Sally	Report	3 Jul 2018 07:48
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Good Morning Sylvia, Dear and Shirley, I must say it did cross my mind why she would put traveller as a job. !!!! I will wait for the second marriage cert to see what her father is listed as. Regards Sally
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,709 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	3 Jul 2018 09:50
	Traveller in those days was a salesman who travelled around the country - the full title was 'Commercial traveller' or 'Travelling salesman' What people now call 'travellers' would have been 'gipsies' then - which certainly wasn't classed as an occupation
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,709 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	3 Jul 2018 09:59
	Her birthplace is recorded as Westwick, Norfolk, on 1851 census. Have you looked for a baptism? EDIT Can't see any sign of her before 1851 on any website
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Sally	Report	3 Jul 2018 15:24
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Hi Erika, Many thanks for your reply. I did start looking for the baptism, nothing yet. I also could find nothing before 1851. I can't wait for the second wedding cert, hope there maybe more info. !!! Regards Sally
Member Since: August 2003 Posts: 64,709 Send Message	ErikaH	Report	3 Jul 2018 15:34
	As she gave a different forename for her 'father' on that one, I fear it will not be of much help - but I hope that I'm wrong!
Member Since: December 2004 Posts: 24,447 Send Message	Dea	Report	3 Jul 2018 17:34
	Could you give us ALL the details from that first wedding cert please from 1858, including all occupations, addresses and also details of witnesses. Perhaps we can try coming from a different angle? Thanks, Dea x
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Sally	Report	3 Jul 2018 18:47
Member Since: July 2007 Posts: 547 Send Message	Hi Dea, I don't have the first marriage cert, i took the details from Ancestry. William BELL Widower 54 years married Christiana HASTINGS Spinster 46 years TAUNTON Sept 1858 ( July 10th 1858 ) Corfe Father's - John BELL & Frederick HASTINGS Witnesses James Bray & Mary ???? Maybe someone could look on Ancestry and make out more than I can. !!!! Regards Sally
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 27,585 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	3 Jul 2018 19:16
	Third reading of Banns : Christiana Hastings in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914 Name: Christiana Hastings Gender: Female Marriage or Bann Date: 4 Jul 1858 Marriage Place: Pitcombe, Somerset, England Spouse: William Bell William - widower of this parish Christiana - spinster of Corfe parish. No parish record of the actual marriage on Ancestry,as far as I can see. Christiana Hastings in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915 Name: Christiana Hastings Registration Year: 1858 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Taunton Inferred County: Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 559 Records on Page: Name William Bell Christiana Hastings
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: March 2003 Posts: 27,585 Send Message	ArgyllGran	Report	3 Jul 2018 19:20
	Oh yes, here it is: Christiana Hastings in the Somerset, England, Marriage Registers, Bonds and Allegations, 1754-1914 Name: Christiana Hastings Gender: Female Age: 46 Birth Year: abt 1812 Marriage or Bann Date: 10 Jul 1858 Marriage Place: Corfe, Somerset, England Parish as it Appears: Corfe Father: Federick Hastings Spouse: William Bell William's a schoolmaster, Christiana's a servant. His residence: Blagdon (?) Her residence: Barton Grange, Corfe. Fathers: John Bell, cloth manufacturer; Frederick Hastings, traveller. Witnesses: James Bray, Mary Cate (looks like Cate, anyway.)
	Researching: Old genealogists never die.....they just lose their census.
Member Since: April 2004 Posts: 46,107 Send Message	SylviaInCanada	Report	3 Jul 2018 19:22
	from FMP No image for either England Marriages 1538-1973 First name(s) Christiana Last name Hastings Name note - Marriage year 1858 Marriage date 04 Jul 1858 Marriage place Pitminster Spouse's first name(s) William Spouse's last name Bell Residence Pitminster, Somerset, England County Somerset Country England Record set England Marriages 1538-1973 Somerset Marriage Index First name(s) Christiana Sex Female Last name Hastings Marriage year 1858 Birth year 1812 Spouse's first name(s) William Spouse's last name Bell Parish Corfe Denomination Anglican County Somerset Country England Document type Parish records Page 20 Age 46 Marital status spinster Residence Barton Grange, Corfe Occupation Servant Marriage date 10 Jul 1858 Spouse's birth year 1804 Spouse's age 54 Spouse's marital status widowed Spouse's residence Blagdon Spouse's occupation Labourer Father's name Frederick Hastings Father's occupation Traveller Spouse's father's name John Bell Spouse's father's occupation Cloth Manufacturer First witness James Bray Second witness Mary Cate Archive Somerset Archives Archive reference D/P/CRF 2/1/7 Record type Marriages Record's year range 1838-1900 Category Life Events (BDMs)
	Researching: My brother, photo taken in September 1991 just a couple of weeks before he died. ............................................................ To help us and to get better results, please post as much detail as you can, especially name, date(s) and place. Also say what you already know.

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