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Thomas Luty & wife Jane

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Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 18:40

Can anyone succeed where I have so far failed, in tracing Thomas Luty after his appearance on the 1871 census, or finding what happened his wife Jane (nee Burrows)? Thomas was baptised at Long Bennington Lincolnshire 8 Mar 1829 (baptism reg entry). He married Jane Burrows @ Long Bennington 10 Dec 1855 (marriage reg entry). She was also bapt Long Bennington 3 Jan 1836. The couple are together on the 1861 census in Long Bennington with son William born 1860. There is also the bapt & burial of a daughter - Jane Elizabeth in 1866 in the parish registers. However by the 1871 census Thomas & William are residing with his widowed mother Elizabeth, married sister Elizabeth & her daughter Ann are also listed with them in Long Bennington. Thomas is shown as married rather than widower. I can find no trace of him after this. I have traced his son William through to his death. I did find a potential "Ellis Island" entry in 1887, but on viewing the scan, the age has I believe been wrongly transcribed as 60, giving a birth year of 1827, but should be 40. There is also a wife Martha listed aged 38 which doesn't seem to tie in. I haven't been able to establish what happened to Jane after 1866.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 18:48

For our reference:

Thomas Luty
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Thomas Luty
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Jane Luty
Gender: Male
Where born: Benington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Long Bennington Grange
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newark
Sub-registration district: Bennington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 161
Piece: 2481
Folio: 56
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Luty 33
Jane Luty 25
William Luty 1



Thomas Luty
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Luty
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1829
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Elizabeth Luty
Gender: Male
Where born: Long Bennington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Long Bennington
Ecclesiastical parish: Lincoln
Town: Long Bennington
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newark
Sub-registration district: Bennington
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 89
Piece: 3544
Folio: 23
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Luty 79
Thomas Luty 42 - son, married
Elizabeth Rastall 39 - daughter
William Luty 12 - grandson
Ann Rastall 8 - grand daughter

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 18:54

??? Don't see a marriage - probably there wasn't one, as Jane was already married :

Jane Watson
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Jane Watson
Age: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relationship to Head: Wife
Spouse: William Watson
Gender: Female
Where born: Long Bennington, Lincoln, England
Civil Parish: Newark Upon Trent
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Street address: Cross Guns Yard
Marital status: Married
Registration district: Newark
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors:
Piece: 3375
Folio: 78
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
William Watson 44
Jane Watson 45
Thos. Luty 12 - son


Birth of son Thomas:

LUTY, THOMAS mms BURROWS
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 314

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 18:56

Death of son Thomas ?

Thomas Luty
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Thomas Luty
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Registration Year: 1885
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 17
Registration district: Newark
Inferred County: Nottinghamshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 213

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:10

Possible death of William Watson ?? - but it's a very common name:

Deaths Mar 1886 (>99%)
WATSON William 49 Newark 7b 297

Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 19:16

Looks like this is indeed Jane - Thomas Luty aged 12 GRO entry shows mothers maiden name Burrows. There's a death regn @ Newark 1885 for Thomas Luty born 1868 tat seems to tie in.
Don't follow the marriage ref 1868, Luty/Burrows, they married 1855.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:17

Then another marriage ???

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
Booth William Newark 7b 512
Watson Jane Newark 7b 512


Jane Booth
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Jane Booth
Age: 65
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: William Booth
Birth Place: Long Bennington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Newark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Newark
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newark
Sub-registration district: Newark
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors:
Piece: 3198
Folio: 157
Page Number: 4
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
William Booth 63
Jane Booth 65

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:18

???

Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)
BOOTH Jane 71 Newark 7b 347

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:20

What you are assuming is an 1868 Luty/Burrows marriage is the birth record for young Thomas Luty.

Sorry, I should have marked it as a birth. Will do so now - although it does say "mms Burrows" as an indication..

Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 19:24

Looks like you have sorted out Jane for me ArgyllGran.Many thanks.
Can anyone have the same joy with Thomas?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 19:24

Jane and young Thomas in 1871 - Jane calling herself unmarried:


Thomas Luty
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Luty
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Jane Luty
Gender: Male
Where born: Bennington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Newark on Trent
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
Town: Newark
County/Island: Nottinghamshire
Country: England
Registration district: Newark
Sub-registration district: Newark
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 50
Piece: 3541
Folio: 66
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Luty 35
Thomas Luty 3

Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 19:38

Thanks for the extra info, looks like the couple split some time after Thomas was conceived. .

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 20:04

You mentioned a Thomas with a wife Martha, who emigrated.

This is that couple in 1880.

Thomas Luty
in the 1880 United States Federal Census
Name: Thomas Luty
Age: 59
Birth Date: Abt 1821
Birthplace: England
Home in 1880: Ogden, Weber, Utah, USA
Street: Smith
House Number: 208
Dwelling Number: 348
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital status: Married
Spouse's name: Martha Luty
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation: Night Watch
Cannot Read: Yes
Cannot Write: Yes
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Luty 59
Martha Luty 56
Edward L. Luty 25
Martha J. Luty 19

Son Edward's death record gives his mother's maiden surname as Shore.
Both parents born England.

BUT the daughter Martha was born in Utah in 1861 (per the 1880 census) - so this is not your Thomas.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2019 21:15

I'm afraid I can't see any sign of your Thomas anywhere after 1871.

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Apr 2019 21:56

Not helping with your query, but there was also another daughter who sadly died as an infant.


LUTY, LUCY BURROWS
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in THE NEWARK UNION Volume 07B Page 320

LUTY, LUCY 0
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in NEWARK Volume 07B Page 213


Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 22:07

Thanks for your efforts ArgyllGran,. It appears Jane may have been a bit of a lass, having looked at the 1871 census she was living with a George Adcock, with no relationship to him as head of the household shown. If the marriage Jane Watson/William Booth is her, (I'd lay good odds it is) she's either married very quickly after William Watson's death, or had already split with him. Unfortunately the transcript for the marriage from the church marriage register on FMP doesn't show martial status or fathers names, need to get sight of a cert. or fiche of the register. I can only assume Thomas went abroad, or his name is so badly transcribed on census data that he's well hidden and/or his death regn is mis-transcribed - unless someone else can manage to track him down.

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Apr 2019 22:09

Think this is Jane's second marriage.

England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) GEORGE
Last name ALCOCK
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1873
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


GEORGE ALCOCK married one of these people

Susan Hill, Jane Luty
District Newark

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Register-office, Newark, on the l5th inst., Mr. Charles Moore, to Miss Sophia Armstrong; also, Mr. Geo. Alcock, to Mrs. Jane Luty.


23 May 1873 - Stamford Mercury - Stamford, Lincolnshire, England



On the 2nd inst., at Crossguns yard, Newark, very suddenly, George Alcock, aged 33 years.


Nottinghamshire Guardian 12 January 1877



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Then her third.


England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005

First name(s) JANE
Last name ALCOCK
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1880
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™


JANE ALCOCK married one of these people

William Richard Carter, William Watson
District Newark
District number -
County Nottinghamshire

Julie

Julie Report 20 Apr 2019 22:22

Thanks alviegal, either she was a naughty girl, or Thomas Luty died between the 1871 census and her marriage in 1873 allowing the couple to wed legally. Another marriage cert or register fiche to view I think.

Julie

Julie Report 21 Apr 2019 14:11

Just to round things up with Jane Burrows, I have now traced her on all the census data after her first marriage and the following seems to be her story. Having married Thomas Luty in 1855, the couple separated around 1868. In 1871 she resided with George Allcock in Newark. She married him at the register office on 15 May 1873. However, he died suddenly on 2 Jan 1877. She then married William Watson in late 1880. They are together on the 1881 census. William died in 1886. On the 1891 census she has William Booth residing with her as a "lodger", they married 26 Jan 1896. Jane died in 1907, William died in 1910. First husband Thomas Luty is still a mystery, but it seems likely that he died sometime between the 1871 census and Jane's marriage to George Allcock in May 1873, I haven't managed to find a death regn & there is no burial in his home parish of Long Bennington. The fact that the marriage to George was reported in the Lincolnshire press would I think have alerted someone who knew her to a bigamous marriage, had that been the case.

If anyone can trace Thomas Luty's death to round things off?

safc

safc Report 21 Apr 2019 14:51

hi
if this is thomas' mother you could buy the cert to see who signed it,
thomas might of.

Deaths Sep 1874 (>99%)
LUTY Elizabeth Ann 84 Newark 7b 237