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Margaret McDonald born 1877

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Flip Report 29 Sep 2019 10:36

Haven't found Thomas, but this could be the family in 1891:

Maria McDonald
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Galashiels, Selkirkshire
Registration Number: 789
Registration district: Hawick
Civil Parish: Hawick
Town: Hawick
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 16 Buccleuch St
ED: 22
Household schedule number: 58
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_384
Household Members:
Name Age
Maria McDonald 37
William McDonald 14
Maggie McDonald 12
Thomas McDonald 9
Florence McDonald 6
Maria McDonald 4

This could be the parents marriage:
776/B 8


Shauna Report 29 Sep 2019 11:32

Wow, thanks! That is certainly the closest I've come to something that looks reasonable. I know one of her own daughters was named Florence, while all the other children had names from her husband's family.


Flip Report 29 Sep 2019 11:54

Shauna, what are the full details from Margaret/Thomas marriage certificate, I assume you have it to get her fathers name. Who were the witnesses, could they provide any leads?


Shauna Report 29 Sep 2019 12:34

Good idea.
Yes, I have it.
Date: 31/8/1895, St Leonards Catholic Church in the District of Sunderland
Thomas Murray, 28 years, bachelor, labourer, residence Gordon Terrace Ryhope, father: Patrick Murray, labourer.
Margaret McDonald, 18 years, spinster, 26 Alice st Ryhope, father: Thomas McDonald, contractor.
Witnesses Margaret McCabe, Bernard McGorrighan. Rev B Darley Priest

The names of the witnesses don't mean anything to me, perhaps they were friends? If they had newly arrived in Sunderland, they may not have known many people?


Flip Report 29 Sep 2019 12:52

That's not very helpful, had hoped one could have been related to Margaret and may have helped in establishing if the family I posted for her was correct.

Bernard appears to have been born in Co Durham, and was also catholic - but I've no way of being sure of this.

Do you know Margaret's birthday ie date/month? I think you have her in your tree on ancestry with a death around 1958, where did she die? If we had her birthday it may be possible to locate her on the 1939 register if she remained in England, though who knows if that will help.


Flip Report 29 Sep 2019 14:54

In case it's relevant. From SP, Margaret McDonald, father Thomas mother Maria Haynes, who married 17/4/1874. Margaret was born 9/7/1878 Glebe Will street Wilton. Registered on 15 July by her father.

I've edited the dates here - didn't look at my notes properly.


Shauna Report 29 Sep 2019 22:13

Thanks for that. Yes, good idea to look for a death certificate or where she lived later on. I think she died somewhere in the south of England, possibly Surrey, as she moved down there with one of her daughters (?Florence) later in life.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Sep 2019 07:40

She wasn’t with Florence in 1939
Florence Worrall
[P Worrall]
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1910
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 2
Residence Place: Chertsey, Surrey, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 196
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: DMCO
Registration district: 32-2
Inferred Spouse: Joseph Worrall
Inferred Children: Margaret Rose Worrall
Household Members:
Joseph Worrall
Florence Worrall
Margaret Rose Worrall
No closed records

She seems to have died in Cornwall

Florence Patricia Worrall
Death Age: 68
Birth Date: 29 Jul 1910
Registration Date: Jul 1978
[Aug 1978]
[Sep 1978]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Truro
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 21
Page: 0616

She wasn’t listed as Florence p though on the 1939 record although it’s been annotated on it later

They married in 1939


Shauna Report 30 Sep 2019 08:11

Ok. I just checked in with my father, who confirmed some extra information that I didn't have.

He thinks this is definitely the right family, because he knew that her mother's name was Maria, and that she had a sister called Florence. Also he confirmed that she did have family living somewhere in the Newcastle area, so the parents later moving from Scotland to Durham would seem to be true.

He believes she died in Weybridge, Surrey around 1960, instead of 1958.

Thanks for all that digging, you've really helped ! :-D

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Sep 2019 08:24

Here she is in 1939
Murray 09 Jul 1878 Female Housewife Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 269 1
Frank Murray 01 Apr 1900 Male Mercantile Marine - Greaser Married 269 2
John T Murray 24 Mar 1908 Male Aircraft Fitter Assembler Single 269 3
Roderick Hesketh 15 Oct 1915 Male Aircraft Fitter Assembler Single 269 4
Alice Murray 05 Nov 1932 Female At School Single 269 5
View 1 more occupants
Ref: RG101/1925A/023/40 Letter Code: DMVA
© Findmypast Ltd

63 Monument Road, Walton and Weybridge U.D., Surrey, England

So was living in weybridge

Aliice birth
Births Dec 1932
Murray Alice M Burt Middlesbro' 9d 781

Marriages Jun 1932
Burt Mary A Murray Newcastle T. 10b 225
Murray James Burt Newcastle T. 10b 225

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Sep 2019 08:34

This looks like her

Deaths Jun 1961
MURRAY Margaret 82 Surrey N.W. 5g 642

Right reg district for weybridge


Shauna Report 30 Sep 2019 11:39

Fantastic, thanks so much.
That marriage between James Murray and Mary Ann Burt was the first marriage of my grandfather James, before he married my grandmother Dolly ~1941 or so (Mary Ann, called Molly, died of TB around about 1938). The little girl Alice who was with Margaret and family in 1939 was my aunt.

Great that you found her death record - I will send for the certificate.
Can't thank you enough for all this, :-D, Shauna

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 30 Sep 2019 12:53

This looks like the death for James wife

Deaths Dec 1938
MURRAY Mary A 35 Middlesbro' 9d 586

So still there in 1938

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 30 Sep 2019 15:28

Going back to Census below, posted earlier, I wondered if that Einnes was Hynes!, looking at Baptism Record, Margaret, 1878 (Scotland Roman Catholic, FMP) Sponsors, Michael Sharky, Margaret Hynes. They have Birthdate as 9th July 1878 and Baptism 14th July 1878. Parents Thomas Macdonald and Maria Hynes.

Chris :)

1881( FMP)
Thomas McDonald Head Married Male 33 1848 Contractor (Roads) Dalry, Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Maria McDonald Wife Married Female 29 1852 - Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland
Mary McDonald Daughter - Female 6 1875 Scholar Wilton, Roxburghshire, Scotland
William McDonald Son - Male 4 1877 - Galashiels, Roxburghshire, Scotland
Margaret McDonald Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Wilton, Roxburghshire, Scotland
Annie Donald Boarder Unmarried Female 29 1852 Woollen Power Loom Weaver Midlothian, Scotland
Elizabeth Einnes Boarder Unmarried Female 25 1856 Woollen Cloth Finisher Selkirk, Roxburghshire, Scotland
Glebe Mill Cottages, Wilton, Roxburghshire, Scotland

Edits (probably her below, assaulted by her Husband Kyren Hynes, Millworker, residing at Wilton Dean, Hawick)

05 September 1891 - Jedburgh Gazette - Jedburgh, Roxburghshire, Scotland

... assaulted Elisabeth Hynes or Innes...

(their Marriage 1880 FMP Scotland Roman Catholic. Kyran Ennis, his Father, Joannis Ennis, Selkirk, her Surname, Crines)

(possible Brother of Maria perhaps?, a surname for variants!)

Kyron Innes Head Married Male 42 1849 General Labourer Ireland
Elizabeth Innes Wife Married Female 34 1857
Wilton Dean, Wilton, Roxburghshire, Scotland


Flip Report 30 Sep 2019 17:18

I've gone back to my earlier post on the birth for Margaret - I didn't look at my notes properly and used the wrong dates. The birth registration confirms Chris's baptism giving dob.


Shauna Report 1 Oct 2019 00:34

Fantastic. I have ordered the death certificate, so I can be certain about dates, but all the other information matches up with what we know!

That's very interesting that their border was in a domestic violence incident. I can' t believe how much information is available. I had had a few attempts to track Margaret but always thought it would be too difficult as its such a common name. On behalf of our family, thanks very much for all the help!


Flip Report 1 Oct 2019 12:36

As it looks likely that we have found the right family, on the 1891 census Ancestry is suggesting this for Maria Hynes in 1861:

Mary Rynes
[Mary Hynes]
Age: 9
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship: Daughter
Father's name: Martin Rynes
Mother's name: Mary Rynes
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 792
Registration district: Jedburgh
Civil Parish: Jedburgh
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 1 Bongate
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 5
Household schedule number: 59
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1861_140
Household Members:
Name Age
Martin Rynes 58
Mary Rynes 40
Patrick Rynes 23
Budget Rynes 14
Mary Rynes 9
Margaret Rynes 5
Arthur McKanna 25

Only daughter Margaret born in Scotland, parents siblings born Ireland.

and this for 1871:

Maria Hynes
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relationship: Daughter
Mother's name: Mary Hynes
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Registration Number: 792/1
Registration district: Jedburgh Burgh
Civil Parish: Jedburgh
County: Roxburghshire
Address: 10 Abbey Close
Occupation: Domestic Son
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 18
Line: 6
Roll: CSSCT1871_179
Household Members:
Name Age
Mary Hynes 52
Maria Hynes 21
Margaret Hynes 14
John Littlewood 66
Peter Whitte 49
Michael Maginness 60

Don't know if this is correct though, ancestry often suggest other records which are not right.


Shauna Report 2 Oct 2019 05:53

That's interesting. So Ancestry thinks that Haynes could be Hynes which could be the same as Einnes which could the same as Innes.

Presumably some of this being mistakes in transcribing records, and some because the same name was sometimes spelt multiple ways?


Shauna Report 6 Oct 2019 09:44

I have some more questions!
I have the marriage record of Thomas McDonald and Maria Haynes, Margaret's parents. It has on it her parents names and also the two maiden names, but I am having difficulty reading the handwriting. Is there a way to attach pictures of the certificate???


Flip Report 6 Oct 2019 10:18

You can upload the image to Keepsafe and share it, then if you post a link to it someone could take a look.