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My grandmother, Winnie Clipstone (married name Stanley) born 1904 is shown as only daughter of William Charles Clipstone (born 1867 in Finedon, Northamptonshire, died 1948) and Sarah King (born 1871). It is however believed that she had a brother, Oliver Clipstone (born1892 in Finedon) whose parents are shown as Oliver Clipstone (born 1867 in Arlesey, Bedfordshire) and also Sarah King. I have been unable to find any real confirmation of this despite numerous searches. Can anyone help please?
Thank you
Peter Stanley

For info - The 2 births you refer to - note surname spelling in both cases on GRO index

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CLIPSTON, WINNIE KING
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in WELLINGBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 139

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CLIPSTON, OLIVER KING
GRO Reference: 1891 D Quarter in WELLINGBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 156

not seeing a birth for a oliver clipstone in 1892

Oliver (b 1892) in 1901 and 1911

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
High Street Barkers Square, Finedon, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Oliver Clipstone Head Married Male 34 1867 Shoe Finisher Arlesey, Bedfordshire, England
Sarah Clipstone Wife Married Female 30 1871 Shoe Machinest Finedon, Northamptonshire, England
Oliver Clipstone Son - Male 9 1892 - Finedon, Northamptonshire, England


1911 Census For England & Wales
Underdown Villa Underdown Road Herne Bay, Herne Bay, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John George Epton Head Married Male 31 1880 Provisions Dealers Manager Horsham Sussex
Mary Helen Epton Wife Married Female 29 1882 - Maiden Turton Dorset
John William Herbert Epton Son - Male 5 1906 - Poole Dorset
Oliver Clipstone Boarder Single Male 19 1892 Provision Dealer Assistant Finedon Northampshire

Winnie in 1911 - parents said to have been married 23 years with 2 children born and still living

1911 Census For England & Wales
Orchard Road Finedon, Finedon, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Clipston Head Married Male 44 1867 Shoe Finisher Finedon Northamptonshire
Sarah Clipston Wife Married Female 40 1871 Shoe Machinist Arlesy Bedfordshire
V Winnie Clipston Daughter - Female 7 1904 School Finedon Northamptonshire
George King Father In Law Widower Male 65 1846 Iron Stone Labourer Arlesly Bedfordshire

For our reference - Winnie in 1911:

Winnie Clipston
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Winnie Clipston
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Finedon, Northamptonshire
Civil Parish: Finedon
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street address: 6 Clipstone Orchard Road Finedon
Occupation: school
Registration district: Wellingborough
Registration District Number: 166
Sub-registration district: Wellingborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 104
Piece: 8514
Household Members:
Name Age
William Clipston 44
Sarah Clipston 40
Winnie Clipston 7
George King 65

Deaths Mar 1967 (>99%)
Clipstone Oliver 75 Lichfield 9b 308

Marriages Jun 1888 (>99%)
Clipson William Charles Wellingborough 3b 293
King Sarah Wellingbro' 3b 293

William and Sarah 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Bakers Square, Finedon, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Clipstone Head Married Male 24 1867 Shoe Finisher Finedon, Northamptonshire, England
Sarah Clipstone Wife Married Female 20 1871 Shoe Machinist Arlesey, Bedfordshire, England

Deaths Dec 1947 (>99%)
Clipstone Sarah 76 Wellingbro' 3b 573

Deaths Mar 1948 (>99%)
Clipstone William C 81 Wellingbro' 3b 647

he's birth
Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
Clipston William Charles Wellingbro' 3b 153

I can't see any marriage for Oliver (senior) - perhaps they didn't marry.

Can't see his birth either, nor anything for him before 1901.

According to the censuses he was born 1867 in Bedfordshire.

But it's only William's birth I can see then:

Births Mar 1867 (>99%)
Clipston William Charles Wellingbro' 3b 153

There is below, not seeing an Oliver.

Chris :)

National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914

First name(s) Winifred
Last name Clipstone
Birth year 1904
Birth date 02 Apr 1904
Event year 1914 (Date of Admission 1/12/1914)
School name Finedon Girls School
Town Finedon
County Northamptonshire
Parent name(s) William
Book type Admissions
(Residence, Rock Terrace. Last Date of Attendance 30/3/17)

The only reference I can see to an Oliver Clipston/e born c1867 +/- 5 years is the one posted above in the 1901 census

No birth - but before penalties for not registering
No marriage
No death

Is Oliver the same person as William.
William shows in 1891 and 1911 not 1901 and Oliver only in 1901

Their ages equate as do their occupations - but Shoe trade was big in the area

Although William is said to be born in Finedon and his Sarah in Arsley

Oliver b Arseley and his Sarah in Finedon.

They are not close enough to make a mistake

Curiouser and curiouser, Chris!

And both William and Oliver are shoe finishers.
Both the Sarahs are shoe machinists.

Is there some sort of double life going on here?

Another Clipston/e // King birth

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
CLIPSTON, MABEL KING
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in WELLINGBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 167

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and living in Finedon

Married 11 years 2 children born and living

1911 Census For England & Wales
Orchard Road Finedon, Finedon, Northamptonshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Fred Clipstone Head Married Male 34 1877 Brick Layers Labourers Finedon Norths
Elizabeth Clipstone Wife Married Female 30 1881 Shoe Machinist Finedon Norths
Annie King Clipstone Daughter Single Female 13 1898 Shoe Machinist Finedon Norths
Mabel Clipstone Daughter Single Female 9 1902 - Finedon Norths

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1899 (>99%)
Clipston Fred Wellingbro' 3b 355
Goodes Sarah Jane Wellingbro' 3b 355
KING Elizabeth Wellingbro' 3b 355
Parker Henry Nathaniel Wellingbro' 3b 355

Fred and William both children of George and Fanny

Fred b 24 aug 1876 - of Finedon. Father a Shoemaker

View Northamptonshire, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1912

Name: William Charles Clipston
Age: 1
Birth Date: 24 Sep 1866
Baptism Date: 21 Sep 1868
Baptism Place: Finedon , Northamptonshire, England
Parish as it Appears: Finedon
Register Type: Bishops Transcripts

Father: George Clipston a Shoemaker
Mother: Fanny Clipston

? could explain why Sarah said b Arlsey in one census and Finedon in another. If the family moved from Bedfordshire when she was young, she might well have thought Finedon was her birthplace.

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Johnson Yard, Finedon, Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George King Head Married Male 35 1846 Ag Lab Arlsey, Bedfordshire, England
Sarah King Wife Married Female 34 1847 - Gamlingay, Cambridgeshire, England
Sarah King Daughter Single Female 10 1871 Scholar Arlsey, Bedfordshire, England
Annie King Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar Finedon, Northamptonshire, England
Elisabeth King Daughter Single Female 0 1881 - Finedon, Northamptonshire, England

Sarah King of Arlesey??

Sarah King
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Sarah King
Age: 5/12
Estimated birth year: 1870
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Arlesey Bedfordshire England
Civil Parish: Arlesey
Town: Arlesey
County/Island: Bedfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Biggleswade
Sub-registration district: Biggleswade
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 1550
Folio: 5
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
George King 25
Sarah King 25
George King 2
Sarah King 5/12



Sarah King
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Sarah King
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: George King
Mother: Sarah King
Gender: Female
Where born: Arlsey, Bedfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Finedon
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Johnson Yard
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Wellingborough
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 1571
Folio: 90
Page Number: 28
Household Members:
Name Age
George King 35
Sarah King 34
Sarah King 10
Annie King 3
Elisabeth King


She's not with her parents and siblings in 1891 - because she's then with husband William, as already posted.

Can't see her birth, nor her parents' marriage..

This is presumably her brother George's birth:

KING, GEORGE mms ROBERTS
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in WELLINGBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 127


Can't see the birth of either of the two Sarahs, assuming they're different people!
No sign of Sarah King of Finedon before she turns up as Clipstone.


There's a Sarah Ann, 1869, Wellingborough, mms Pettit.
Parents Edward and Elizabeth, married 1869.
BUT she died in 1870.

Hmmm - no, George's 1869 birth, mms Roberts, isn't correct.

This is the right one:
KING, GEORGE mms PECK
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in BIGGLESWADE Volume 03B Page 381


The other siblings:

KING, ANNIE PECK
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in WELLINGBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 160

KING, ELIZABETH PECK
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in WELLINGBOROUGH Volume 03B Page 152

So parents' marriage:

Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
KING George Biggleswade 3b 593
PECK Sarah Biggleswade 3b 593

Sarah's birth:

KING, SARAH mms PECK
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in BIGGLESWADE Volume 03B Page 354

and an older Sarah who died:

KING, SARAH mms PECK
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in BIGGLESWADE Volume 03B Page 368

KING, SARAH 0
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in BIGGLESWADE Volume 03B Page 203
Confusingly, there's also an Elizabeth King born Wellingborough, mms Roberts - but in March qr 1879.

I am really trying to establish whether Winnie Clipstone and Oliver Clipstone (born 1892) are brother and sister. It could be that they both have same mother (Sarah King) but different fathers, William Clipstone and Oliver Clipstone, born 1867, it just seems strange that if there were different fathers, they are both Clipstone and what is the connection between them both?