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Winifred was born about 1879 in Bolton Lancs, according to1911 Cencus

She married Samuel Dawson 8/4/1901 in Mansfield Nots. A Spinster Age 22. Witnesses were F Downing and Lucy Ashley

Here father was John Mannion, an Iron Foundry Labourer

I cannot find Winifred in any Census (execpt 1911) nor a birth record. Can you help please

Gerry

Update*****

Have just found her 1901 with new husband Samuel Dawson. They are in the family of John Ashley and Samuel isvshown as Son in Law which means "Minnie" maiden name should be Ashley

Her birth showing be registered

Does the 1911 census say where she was born

Bolton Lancs

Winifred Dawson
Death Age: 39
Birth Date: abt 1879
Registration Date: Apr 1918
[May 1918]
[Jun 1918]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 369


Winifred Dawson
Age in 1911: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Bolton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Barton upon Humber
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County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street address: 6 Vaults Lane Barton On Humber
Occupation: Hawker
Registration district: Glanford Brigg
Registration District Number: 424
Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 20113
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Dawson 36
Winifred Dawson 32
Mary Ann Dawson 9
Lucy Dawson 5
Ellen Dawson 9/12
Louisa Dawson 9/12
Henry Dawson 7
James Dawson 2
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Source Citation
Class: RG14; Piece: 20113

she died of TB

DAWSON, LOUISA MANNING
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 149

DAWSON, ELLEN MANNING
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in SCULCOATES Volume 09D Page 149

DAWSON, JAMES ALBERT MANNION
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in HULL Volume 09D Page 328

Don’t think that’s the right couple on the 1901 census as there is a son Samuel born c1898

This is the birth


DAWSON, SAMUEL HARRISON
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 710

for ref


Winifred
Last name Mannion
Sex Female
Marriage year 1901
Parish Mansfield Register Office
Place Mansfield
Spouse's first name Samuel
Spouse's last name Dawson
County Derbyshire
Country England
Register Office Mansfield (Notts)
Reference MRO/21/067

1911
6 Vaults Lane Waterside Road Barton upon Humber, Barton upon Humber, Lincolnshire, England
Samuel Dawson Head Married Male 36 1875 General Dealer Tibshelf Derby
Winifred Dawson Wife Married Female 32 1879 Hawker Bolton Lanc
Mary Ann Dawson Daughter Single Female 9 1902 School , England
Lucy Dawson Daughter Single Female 5 1906 - Hull Yorks
Eleen Dawson Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Hull Yorks
Louisa Dawson Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Hull Yorks
Henry Dawson Son Single Male 7 1904 School Mansfield Notts
James Dawson Son Single Male 2 1909 - Hull Yorks

in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-19



Name: Winnifred Mammon
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 8 Apr 1901
Marriage Place: Regis Scotfhill Mansfield
Document Year: 1914
Relationship to Soldier: Spouse
Form Title: Military History Sheet
Number of Images: 12
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Samuel Dawson Self (Head)
Winnifred Mammon Spouse
Samuel Dawson Dawson Child
Mary Ann Dawson Child
Henry Dawson Child
Lucy Dawson Child
Ellen Dawson Child
Louisa Dawson Child
Lily Dawson Child

Will you please post the 1901 census for our info

The census was taken BEFORE the marriage took place, so what name is the woman using?

The 1901 census you refer to ? Original also says Minnie

The census was taken 31 March so unless living as man and wife already ...... this is not your couple

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Newton Green New Street, Newton, Blackwell (Derby), Mansfield, Derbyshire, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Ashley Head Married Male 64 1837 Coal Miner Hewer Blackwell, Derbyshire, England
Lily Ashley Wife Married Female 49 1852 - Handsworth, Yorkshire, England
Sam Dawson Son-In-Law Married Male 26 1875 Colliery Banksman Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Minnie Dawson Daughter Married Female 22 1879 - Bolton, Lancashire, England
Albert Ashley Son Single Male 20 1881 Colliery Banksman Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
William Shaw Nephew Single Male 22 1879 - Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Joe Shaw Nephew Single Male 20 1881 Colliery Pony Driver (Below Ground) Tibshelf, Derbyshire, England
Sam Dawson Grand Son Single Male 2 1899 - Rotherham, Yorkshire, England


Albert's Father is an Ashley and his Mother's maiden name Dawson

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
ASHLEY, ALBERT DAWSON
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 66

and grandson Samuel -

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
DAWSON, SAMUEL HARRISON
GRO Reference: 1898 S Quarter in ROTHERHAM Volume 09C Page 710

EDIT - although ages places of birth for Samuel and Winifred/Minnie would appear to "match" 1901 to 1911

SAMUEL IN 1901
Name: Samuel Dawson
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tideswell, Derbyshire, England
Civil Parish: Sheffield
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Ecclesiastical parish: Sheffield St George
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: North Sheffield
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors:
Piece: 4367
Folio: 25
Page Number: 3
Household schedule number: 13

John h Ashley born c1879


ASHLEY, JOHN HENRY DAWSON
GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in MANSFIELD Volume 07B Page 69

So mmn was Dawson

Odds are she was illegitimate and her mother later married John Mannion

She may well have been. However, I still cannot find her in 1881, 1891 nor any likely birth record

can only find 2 winifreds born in bolton 1879

Births Sep 1879 (>99%)
Drury Winifred Bolton 8c 373 Scan available - click to view
Spencer Winifred Marian Bolton 8c 362

Neither of those is likely to be relevant, as they were born too late for them to be recorded on censuses as being born in 1879

a very long shot
1881
Name: John Mannion
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1858
Relationship to Head: Prisoner
Gender: Male
Where born: Northwich, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: "Police Station" Irlam St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Labourer In Iron Works --------------
Registration district: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors:
Piece: 3795
Folio: 82
Page Number: 13

Re the Ashley/Dawson family in 1901 - I think that's the right one:

Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
ASHLEY John Belper 7b 734
DAWSON Lucy Belper 7b 734

So Sam Dawson in 1901 census is more likely to be a step-son to John Ashley, and not literally a son-in-law.

"Minnie" seems likely to be a mistake by the enumerator, instead of writing Winnie.

The "grandson" Sam is more of a mystery - born in Yorkshire.
Possibly a nephew or great-nephew of Lucy ?


Lucy before marriage:

Lucy Dawson
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Lucy Dawson
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: 1850
Relation: Daughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Handsworth Yorkshire England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
Town: Woodhouse
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 43
Piece: 4700
Folio: 53
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Dawson 64
Charlotte Dawson 63
Charlotte Dawson 23
Lucy Dawson 21


Lucy Dawson
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Lucy Dawson
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: 1849
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Samuel Dawson
Mother's name: Charlotte Dawson
Gender: Female
Where born: Handsworth, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Handsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 3501
Folio: 13
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Dawson 53
Charlotte Dawson 53
Joseph Dawson 18
Walter Dawson 16
Charlotte Dawson 14
Lucy Dawson 12

Lucy Dawson
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Lucy Dawson
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Samuel Dawson
Mother's name: Charlotte Dawson
Gender: Female
Where born: Handsworth, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Handsworth
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County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Sheffield
Sub-registration district: Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 90
Piece: 2342
Folio: 565
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Dawson 44
Charlotte Dawson 43
John Dawson 20
Mary Dawson 18
William Dawson 16
Josh Dawson 8
Walter Dawson 6
Charlotte Dawson 4
Lucy Dawson 1

The grandchild Samuel in 1901 is probably the son Samuel who is on Samuel senior's army record already posted.

So he's Samuel's son , and therefore Lucy Ashley nee Dawson's grandson.

Harrison could be a misreading of Mannion, if the handwriting was bad.

However, that doesn't help find Winnie before young Sam's birth.

This is the only illegitimate Winnie/Winifred in Bolton c1879:


GRAHAM, WINNIE -
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in BOLTON Volume 08C Page 306


Winifred Graham
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Winifred Graham
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1879
Relationship to Head: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Farnworth, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Farnworth
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 26 Crescent Court
Registration district: Bolton
ED, institution, or vessel: 10b
Neighbors:
Piece: 3815
Folio: 41
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Graham 50 - unmarried
Mary Graham 22 - unmarried
Winifred Graham 2