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This couple married in 1911 but married in the 4th quarter so would have been married at the time of the census. They may be living near his birth place but I can't find them anywhere.

Elizabeth Ann Richards (illegitimate also uses Burns as surname)

1891 - Haverford West, Wales (nursing infant)
1901 - Fleetwood, Lancs
1911 - ???
1939 - Fleetwood, Lancs (widow)

Patrick O'Hara - married O-N-D 1911 in Fylde (covers Fleetwood)

I just can't find them?

Census was taken well before the marriage

Where was he born?

When were they born?

The census was taken on 2nd April so they wouldn’t be married

From google

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Is this her in1939

34 Cop Lane, Fleetwood M.B., Lancashire, England


OHara household
(8 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Elizabeth Ohara 16 Oct 1890 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 195 1
Harold Ohara 16 Jan 1910 Male General Labourer Unemployed Single 195 2

The record for this person is officially closed. Can I get around this?

Charles Burns 24 Jun 1904 Male General Labourer Single 195 4
Charles Ohara 16 Oct 1915 Male General Labourer Unemployed Married 195 5
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Ref: RG101/4763C/018/19 Letter Code: NURI
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I have just looked back through the census again and I think she may be with her mother as Bessie Burns. I realise now that the census is before the marriage. Sometimes when you've looked at something so long you go boss eyed lol

I have no other information about Patrick other than the marriage record.

Who was her mum

Her mum is Margaret Burns living in Fleetwood on the 1911 census.

Now a realise that her and Patrick are not married on the 1911 then this is going to have to be a certificate I think.

Possibility for Patrick's death which gives a birth year of c1889/90

Right area and of an age with Elizabeth

Deaths Dec 1931 (>99%)
O'Hara Patrick 41 Fylde 8e 850

Does the marriage cert give Patrick's father's name?

So again a possibility - gives a birth year of 1890/91 and in right area.

the search result shows Kirkham, Fylde, Lancs

One other Patrick in Lancs but aged 22 so born 1888/9

1911 Census For England & Wales
18 Marsden Street Kirkham, Kirkham, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles Ohara Head Married Male 53 1858 General Labourer In Cotton Mill Co Antrim Ireland
Catherine Ohara Wife Married Female 38 1873 House Keeper Kirkham Lancashire
Charles Ohara Son Single Male 23 1888 Cotton Mill Hand Card Room Kirkham Lanc
Patrick Ohara Son Single Male 20 1891 Out Door Labourer Kirkham Lanc
Robert Ohara Son Single Male 18 1893 Preser In Cotton Mill Kirkham Lanc
Rose Ann Ohara Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Wavers Tenter Kirkham Lanc
Edmond Ohara Son Single Male 1 1910 - Kirkham Lanc
Sarah Curwen Slater Daughter Single Female 16 1895 Cotton Weaver Fleetwood Lanc
Ralph Slater Son Single Male 12 1899 - Fleetwood Lanc
Henry Curwen Slater Son Single Male 8 1903 None Fleetwood Lanc

Charles and Catherine married 2 years. 1 child born and still living

Alsmost certainly Elizabeth's illegitimate son - shown as O'Hara in 1939

BURNS, HAROLD (No MMN)-
GRO Reference: 1910 M Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 625

P Mick Ohara
in the 1901 England Census
Name: P Mick Ohara
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Father: Charles Ohara
Mother: Bridget Ohara
Civil Parish: Kirkham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
Town: Kirkham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Fylde
Sub-registration district: Kirkham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 3965
Folio: 39
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 75
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Ohara 43 - Ireland
Bridget Ohara 38 - Belfast
Thomas Ohara 19
Charles Ohara 13
John Joseph Ohara 11
P Mick Ohara 10 - [ Patrick on image ]
Robert Ohara 7
Rose Ohara 6
Annie Marthey 47 - sister , married [ Murphy on image] - Antrim

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:

O'HARA, PATRICK CONNLEY
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 684
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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1909 (>99%)
MOORE Alexander Fylde 8e 1577
O'HARA Charles Fylde 8e 1577
SLATER Catherine Fylde 8e 1577
WINDLE Martha Jane Fylde 8e 1577

??
Deaths Dec 1907 (>99%)
O'HARA Bridget 46 Fylde 8e 420

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Marsden Street, Kirkham, Fylde, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles O'hara Head Married Male 33 1858 General Labourer Ireland
Bridget O'hara Wife Married Female 28 1863 - Ireland
James O'hara Son - Male 10 1881 Scholar Lancashire, England
Thomas O'hara Son - Male 9 1882 Scholar Lancashire, England
Charles O'hara Son - Male 3 1888 - Lancashire, England
John J O'hara Son - Male 1 1890 - Lancashire, England
Patrick O'hara Son - Male 0 1891 - Lancashire, England
James Nolan Boarder Single Male 17 1874 General Labourer Scotland

?? Another wife for Charles

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

11, Station Road, Kirkham, Fylde, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Charles O Hara Head Married Male 23 1858 General Labourer Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Jane O Hara Wife Married Female 24 1857 Linen Reeler Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
James O Hara Son Single Male 0 1881 - Kirkham, Lancashire, England

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? her death

Deaths Mar 1882 (>99%)
O'Hara Jane 23 Fylde 8e 484

Think Harold is with his grandma
1911 census
Harold Burns
Age in 1911: 5/12
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Grandson
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ince in Makerfield
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 70 Caroline St Ince Nr Wigan
Registration district: Wigan
Registration District Number: 458
Sub-registration district: Hindley
ED, institution, or vessel: 35
Piece: 23050
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Burns 51
Sarah Ann Burns 29
Richard Burns 26
James Burns 21
Agnes Burns 16
John Burns 8
Harold Burns 5/12
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Source Citation
Class: RG14; Piece: 23050

So this marriage to Bridget

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1884 (>99%)
Connelly Bridget Fylde 8e 989 <<<<<<<
O'Hara Charles Fylde 8e 989 <<<<<<<
Price Emily Fylde 8e 989
Read William Ormerod Fylde 8e 989


Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1884
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
O'HARA Charles CONNELLY Bridget Old Fylde Register Office or Registrar Attended Blackpool OFY/12/98

Wrong age, I'm afraid, Shirley - the child born JFM Qtr 1910 would be one year old in 1911.

And wrong location

Plus, as already established, his grandmother's name was Margaret

Charles' marriage to Jane

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1879 (>99%)
FLEMING Jane Fylde 8e 913
O'HARA Charles Fylde 8e 913

and birth of son James

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
O HARA, JAMES FLEMING
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 615