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I forgot to add - re John James's sister Isabel Webb -

she and her husband Lawrence Pinder seem to have had several children.
You can find them on FreeBMD - just enter the two surnames in the Births search page, and click "Find":

.https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Between 1934 and 1951 there were eight Pinder/Webb births in West Ham, which I won't post here, as they may well be living.

Oh I haven't been on today I am so excited. Thank you so much everyone You are all angels.

Possibly Emily's death:

Emily L Clayton
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Emily L Clayton
Death Age: 41
Birth Date: abt 1920
Registration Date: Jan 1961
[Feb 1961]
[Mar 1961]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Poplar
Inferred County: London
Volume: 5d
Page: 331


The other sister Kathleen's death??

Kathleen Webb
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Kathleen Webb
Estimated birth year: abt 1915
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 167


Although there's also this one:

Kathleen Webb
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Kathleen Webb
Death Age: 45
Birth Date: abt 1915
Registration Date: Jan 1960
[Feb 1960]
[Mar 1960]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 5a
Page: 703


There are lots of uncles and aunts for you to research, Carol!

John James's sister Annie:


Annie Frances May Webb
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Annie Frances May Webb
Birth Date: 10 Jan [ 1910 ]
Baptism Date: 26 Jan
Baptism Place: Custom House, Victoria Docks, St. Matthew, Essex, England
Father: William George Webb
Mother: Elizabeth Jane Webb


Annie F M Webb
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Annie F M Webb
Registration Date: Jul 1937
[Aug 1937]
[Sep 1937]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Harold Blakey
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 301


Annie F Blakey
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Annie F Blakey
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1910
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Hut No. 136
Residence Place: Maidstone, Kent, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 115
Sub Schedule Number: 5
Enumeration District: DKLM
Household Members:
Name
Elizabeth Webb - 28 Dec 1882, married
This record is officially closed.
Emily Clayton - 19 Sept 1919, married
This record is officially closed.
Annie F Blakey


Annie Frances M Blakey
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Annie Frances M Blakey
Death Age: 75
Birth Date: 10 Jan 1910
Registration Date: Mar 1985
Registration district: Barking and Dagenham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 11
Page: 206



Annie and Harold had no children.



Emily Clayton in 1939 above is John James's sister Emily Louisa:

Marriages Sep 1938 (>99%)
Clayton Edward J Webb W.Ham 4a 476
Webb Emily L Clayton W.Ham 4a 476

Emily and Edward had a son in 1938.
If they had any other children, they weren't born in West Ham.

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William Geo Webb

in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Geo Webb
Gender: Male
Age: 5
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1886
Father: Joseph Geo Webb
Mother: Jane Webb
Birth Place: Charlton, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Residence Place: Woolwich, London, England
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, Institution or Vessel: 14
Neighbors:
Piece: 531
Folio: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Geo Webb 33
Jane Webb 33
Frederick Webb 7
William Geo Webb 5

FREDERICK CALEB
Last name WEBB
Birth year 1884
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Stiles
District Greenwich



Name: Joseph George Webb
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Birth Date: 1857
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1881
Marriage Place: Christ Church, Greenwich, Kent, England
Father: Frederick Caleb Webb
Spouse: Jane Stiles
FHL Film Number: 355627
Reference ID: v 14 p 250

WILLIAM GEORGE
Last name WEBB
Birth year 1885
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Stiles
District Woolwich
County London

Name: Caleb Frederick Webb
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 14 Jun 1856
Marriage Place: St Saviour, Chelsea, Kensington and Chelsea, England
Father: Joseph Benjamin Webb
Spouse: Elizabeth Jane Ford

Name: Caleb Frederick Webb
Birth Date: 15 Sep 1832
Birth Place: St Leeks, Middlesex, England
Gender: Male
Event Type: Birth
Father: Joseph Benjamin
Mother: Hannah
Piece Title: Piece 4675: Dr Williams' Library, Index to Birth Certificates, 1837

elizabeths parents
Name: Henry Pelling
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 14 Dec 1874
Marriage Place: St Mary Magdalene, Woolwich, Greenwich, England
Father: Henry Pelling
Spouse: Emma Kelday
Register Type: Parish Register

Name: Henry Pelling
Document Year: 1914
Relationship to Soldier: Father
Form Title: Other
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
William John Pelling Self (Head)
Henry Pelling Father
Emma Pelling Mother
John Pelling Brother
Alfred Pelling Brother

John James's sister Isabel:

Isabel Latitia Webb
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Isabel Latitia Webb
Age: 0
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1916
Baptism Date: 14 Jul 1916
Baptism Place: Victoria Docks, St Luke, Essex, England
Father: William Webb
Mother: Elizabeth Webb



Isabella Letitia Webb
in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935
Name: Isabella Letitia Webb
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1916
Marriage Date: 22 Jan 1934
Marriage Place: Canning Town, Mayflower Centre and Predecessor Churches, Essex, England
Father: William George Webb
Spouse: Lawrence Bertram Pinder



Isabel L Pinder
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Isabel L Pinder
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1916
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 59, Mortlake Rd.
Residence Place: West Ham, Essex, England
Occupation: Unpaid Housewife
Schedule Number: 89
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: CBWR
Registration district: 188-4
Inferred Spouse: Lawrence B Pinder
Inferred Children: Lawrence B Pinder
Household Members:
Name
Lawrence B Pinder - steel bender, heavy worker - 7 June 1915
Isabel L Pinder
Lawrence B Pinder - 12 March 1935
Stephan G Pinder - 22 Jan 1920, ordinary seaman, Royal Navy, HMS "Drake"



Isabel Letitia Pinder
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Isabel Letitia Pinder
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 27 Jun 1916
Registration Date: Jul 1993
Registration district: Redbridge
Inferred County: Greater London
Register Number: A41
District and Subdistrict: 2471A
Entry Number: 101

John James's sister Elizabeth's baptism:

Elizabeth Emily Adelaide Webb
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Elizabeth Emily Adelaide Webb
Birth Date: 25 May
Baptism Date: 8 Jul 1908
Baptism Place: Custom House, Victoria Docks, St. Matthew, Essex, England
Father: William George Webb
Mother: Elizabeth Jane Webb


And sadly, her death aged 6:

Elizabeth E Webb
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Elizabeth E Webb
Estimated birth year: abt 1909
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 6
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 68


WEBB, ELIZABETH EMILY 6
GRO Reference: 1915 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 68

Marriage of parents of Alfred and Elizabeth (and the other siblings), and therefore grandparents of John James;

Marriages Dec 1874 (>99%)
Kelday Emma Woolwich 1d 1411
Pelling Henry Woolwich 1d 1411

Alfred George Pelling
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Alfred George Pelling
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1877
Age: 38
Document Year: 1915
Residence Place: 64 Hemsworth Street, Canning Town Essex
Regimental Number: 43764
Regiment Name: Royal Artillery (Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery)
Form Title: Short Service Attestation
Number of Images: 5
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
Alfred George Pelling Self (Head)
Katherine Mc Guire Dependant "and guardian to my two children"



Alfred G Pelling
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Alfred G Pelling
Death Age: 59
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Apr 1935
[May 1935]
[Jun 1935]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 86


His birth:

PELLING, ALFRED GEORGE mms KELDAY
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 967

Looks like Elizabeth's brother Alfred in 1891:

Alfred Pelling
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Alfred Pelling
Gender: Male
Age: 15
Birth Year: 1876
Birth Place: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Kingsnorth
Ecclesiastical parish: Kingsnorth
Residence Place: Kingsnorth, Kingsnorth, Kent, England
Registration district: West Ashford
Sub registration district: Ashford
ED, Institution or Vessel: Kent County Industrial School
Neighbors:
Piece: 700
Folio: 149


And 1881:

Alfred Pelling
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Alfred Pelling
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Henry Pelling
Mother: Emma Pelling
Gender: Male
Where born: Woolwich, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 20 Godfrey Street
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration district: Woolwich
Sub registration district: Woolwich Dockyard
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 743
Folio: 121
Page Number: 55
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Pelling 30 - Hatcham, wire strander
Emma Pelling 23 - Woolwich
Alfred Pelling 6
Ann Payne 75 - lodger, widow, poultry dealer, London

webb/pelling

EMILY L
Last name WEBB
Birth year 1919
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Pelling
District West Ham
County Essex

ETHEL M
Last name WEBB
Birth year 1911
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Pelling
District West Ham


GEORGE W H
Last name WEBB
Birth year 1913
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Pelling
District West Ham
County Essex

ISABEL L
Last name WEBB
Birth year 1916
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Pelling
District West Ham

KATHLEEN
Last name WEBB
Birth year 1915
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Pelling
District West Ham

Elizabeth with parents and siblings in 1901:

Elizabeth Pelling
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Pelling
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Father: Henery Pelling
Mother: Emma Pelling
Birth Place: Woolwich, Essex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 06
Neighbors:
Piece: 1578
Folio: 172
Page Number: 50
Household schedule number: 281
Household Members:
Name Age
Henery Pelling 50
Emma Pelling 47
Alfred Pelling 26
Elizabeth Pelling 19
John Pelling 17
Isabella Pelling 11
William Pelling 8
Emma Pelling 5
Fanny Pelling 2

Looks like the family in 1911:

Annie Webb
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Annie Webb
Age in 1911: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Canning Town, Essex
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 7 Clyde Road, West Silvertown E
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Piece: 9477
Household Members:
Name Age
William Webb 26 - Charlton, Kent, general labourer
Elizabeth Webb 28 - Charlton, Kent
Elizabeth Webb 2
Annie Webb 1
John Pelling 26 - visitor, South Woolwich, single

If the West Ham birth is the correct one, then this is likely to be the parents' marriage:


Marriages Sep 1907 (>99%)
PELLING Elizabeth Jane W. Ham 4a 617
WEBB William George W. Ham 4a 617

Other Webb/Pelling births in West Ham:

Elizabeth Emily 1908
George William Henry 1913
Annie Frances May 1910
Ethel Mary 1911
Emily Louisa 1919
Isabel Letitia 1916
Kathleen 1915

These fit with the sibling names given by Carol.


They don't fit the 1911 census posted by safc.

Carol

Have you tried looking for info yourself?

Thank you .

I know John had a sister Bella and Ethel and ann and a brother George.

Death registered STOCKPORT. Second forename James