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Probably this, Elizabeth


Births Dec 1901 (>99%)
HESLOP Elizabeth Etheline Sunderland 10a 641


1911
Thomas Patterson Heslop Head Married Male 50 1861 Shipbuilders Stocktaker And Storekeeper Durham Mkwth
Etheline Heslop Wife Married Female 49 1862 - Durham Pallion Sland
George Heslop Son Single Male 26 1885 Plater Ship Durham Pallion Sland
John Henry Heslop Son Single Male 20 1891 Apprentice Joiner Ship Durham Pallion Sland
Elizabeth Etheline Heslop Daughter - Female 9 1902 - Durham Pallion Sland


1939

William H Smith 11 Dec 1899 Male Corporation Ambulance Driver Married 217 1
Elizabeth E Smith 10 Sep 1901 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 217 2

Joanie,
Can i ask what made you discard the 1925 marriage , as not being them

You can get a PDF copy for £7.

Paper copy is £11.

Thank you Folks. Yes they travelled around lots mainly Lancashire Yorkshire and Northumberland. The Bury one looks promising and i will decided over weekend if i will chance another £10 on a cert, have bought three on the family and one was right up to now.....Joanie x

IF the DOB given in 1939 is accurate - but may well not be - there's no death of a Lilian/Lillian Smith anywhere in Lancashire 1939-42 of an age which would fit that.

They did travel around a lot, so could have been anywhere after 1939.

Deaths (not in Lancs) which could fit:

Deaths Sep 1940 (>99%)
Smith Lilian 41 Wednesbury 6b 1350

Deaths Jun 1941 (>99%)
Smith Lilian 41 Staincross 9c 538


Or in Lancs, but if later than thought:

Deaths Mar 1944 (>99%)
Smith Lilian 44 Bury 8c 507

However, there's no matching birth of a child, if she did die in childbirth - though of course she may have died soon after but perhaps not in the same place or quarter.

A child registered initially as Betty and then altered to Sheila E was born in Cumberland (Border RD) in Dec qr 1943.
No idea if relevant. No immediately obvious marriage of parents - at least not in Cumberland.

Deaths Mar 1944

Smith
Lilian
44
Bury
8c
507.

a possible ?

about 5 miles from Rochdale.

birth est abt 1899/1900.

My Aunt said she died when Teresa b.March 1938 was age 2/3 and they think in childbirth I know in 1939 they were in Rochdale Lancashire.

I have managed to get a copy of Margaret Ellen Smith's birth cert 2/4/1937 Chorley Lancs and Lilian still put an X as signature and William was still a general Hawker.

Do you know exact year Lilian died. and where?

I hope your cat recovers well, Joanie.

You said that William and Lilian's DOB's were the same apart from year.
No, not quite.
William's is 26 July, and Lilian's is 24 July.

Years of birth are quite often wrong on the 1939 Register, but days and months tend to be more often correct.
However, it's possible as you suggest, that one or both of them weren't sure what their DOB was. Lilian was obviously illiterate.

Sorry I was not on earlier Folks but our old cat 16 was attacked by three Staffordshire terriers and we have been to vets and looking after her......she is as well as can be expected god bless her x

The three certs I have got are : James first born this is correct....second was Teresa born Nelson this was not her...third was Marriage William H Smith and Elizabeth E Heslop this was not them....Teresa Smith married Gerard Huskisson.

When looking on the 1939 register William and Lilian have same birthday except year and Teresa’ s isn’t right according to her daughter. On James birth certificate it says Lilian made her mark X, maybe she wasn’t good with writing and numbers and gave wrong ones in ?

Thank you Malyon will check that out. X

from the OPENING post

I did find a marriage : Elizabeth E Heslop Sept 1925 Sunderland 10a 1262 to a William H Smith, dates would fit, got the cert but not them.…

Marriages Sep 1925 (>99%)
Smith William H Heslop Sunderland 10a 1252

Hardly feasible to post a birth in a different district in exactly the same qtr as Margaret's

That's a bit random, Malyon, I fear.

The parents of that child:

Marriages Dec 1925 (>99%)
Heslop William Tempest Haslingden 8e 237
Tempest Harriet J Heslop Haslingden 8e 237

They're together in 1939 , in Bacup, with daughters Catherine and Mary, and three closed records

Births Jun 1937 (>99%)
Heslop Teresa Tempest Haslingden 8e 134

Already posted!

Births Jun 1937 (>99%)
Smith Margaret E Hesslop Chorley 8e 458

Margaret's birth in 1937 was definitely MMN Hesslop - and Joanie clearly stated that Lilian died in the 1940's

I thought Joanie said at some stage that the MMN was wrongly recorded on Teresa's birth reg'n. Perhaps she deleted that snippet - or edited it. Or I need to go to Specsavers

This is her death - mentioned before, I know!

Deaths Mar 1975 (>99%)
Huskisson Tereasa 4Mr1938 Liverpool 36 510

IMAGE of 1939 is 100% MARCH for birth month