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Thanks Maddie, I’ll have a look at these.

a tree on ancestry re elizabeth jenion


Elizabeth jennion
1777–1815
Birth 28 FEB 1777 • Wavertree, Childwall, Liverpool, Lancashire
Death 1815 • Huyton, Lancashire, England

Name: Betty Jenyons
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1777
Christening Place: Childwall, Lancashire, England
Father: Henry Jenyons
Mother: Mary Jenyons

Name: Elizabeth Genion
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 08 Apr 1800
Marriage Place: Saint Peter Church Street, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Spouse:
Henry Green


parents


HENRY JENION
1742–1813
Birth 1742 • Little Woolton, Lancashire, England
Death 19 DEC 1813


MARY WAKENSON
1740–1822
Birth 1740 • Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Death 3 NOV 1822

Name: Mary Wakenson
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 23 May 1765
Marriage Place: Childwall, Lancashire, England
Spouse: Henry Jenyens

Henry Green is an incredibly common name

Thanks everyone, some interesting info.
I do think it's strange though that I found a marriage for a Henry Green married to Elizabeth Genion 8 April 1800, parents of Mary Green b. 2 April 1801. I think this is a different family than mine. Why - because I have my Henry and Mary marrying 2 January 1809 - or am I missing something here?

this appears to be william green from 1841

Marriage: 18 Jul 1825 St John, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Green - Paviour, Liverpool
Mary Orritt - (X), Spinster, Liverpool
Witness: John Bushell; William Germain Lea
Married by Banns by: David Hewitt Curate
Register: Marriages 1820 - 1827, Page 175, Entry 525
Source: LDS Film 1656197

son from 1841
GREEN, WILLIAM ORRETT
GRO Reference: 1839 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 835

Baptism: 5 Jun 1839 St Chad, Kirkby, Lancashire, England
William Green - Son of William Green & Mary
Born: 3 Jun 1839
Abode: Kirkby
Occupation: Pavior
Baptised by: R Cort
Register: Baptisms 1839 - 1868, Page 2, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1545853

The addresses are on the LanOPC record posted at 09.07

more detail - where they lived

William
Last name Tipping
Age 21
Birth year 1853
Occupation Hay & straw dealer
Marital status Bachelor
Year 1874
Marriage year 1874
Marriage date 14 Jul 1874
Place Everton, St Peter
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 117 Smithdown Lane
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Tipping
Father's occupation Hay & Straw Dealer
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Jenion
Spouse's age 22
Spouse's birth year 1852
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence 24 Netherfield Road North
Spouse's father's first name(s) William
Spouse's father's last name Jenion
Spouse's father's occupation Labourer
Witness 1 Bryan Lunt
Witness 2 Elizabeth Saunders
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-PTR-3-5
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1873-1877
Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages

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Name: Edward O'Neil
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 5 Apr 1840
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
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Father: Edward O'Neil
Spouse: Sarah Jennion

Name: Sarah Jennion
Baptism Date: 1 Nov 1818
Parish: Huyton, Lancashire, England
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Father: Henry Jennion
Mother: Mary Jennion
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Reference Number: Drl/2/42

Posting again...........to keep in one 'place'

1871

Name: Mary Jenion
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: 1851
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Hayton Lancashire England
Civil parish: Halewood
Ecclesiastical parish: Woolton St Nicholas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Prescot
Sub-registration district: Hale
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 122
Piece: 3854
Folio: 35
Page number: 29
Household Members Age Relationship
Edward Neill 54 Head
Sarah Neill 51 Wife
Anne Neill 27 Daughter
William Neill 21 Son
Joseph Neill 18 Son
John Neill 17 Son
Geo Neill 14 Son
Mary Jenion 20 Niece

1851

Name: Mary Jenion
Age: 2 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Jane Jenion
Gender: Female
Where born: Huyton, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Huyton
Ecclesiastical parish: Huyton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: Hale
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Household Schedule Number: 82
Piece: 2193
Folio: 295
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Jenion 65........born Huyton...................Pavier
Jane Jenion 26
Mary Jenion 2 Mo


Marriage: 14 Jul 1850 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Janion - Full, Paver, Bachelor, Gilbert St
Jane Cowley - (X), Full, Spinster, Gilbert St
Groom's Father: Henry Janion, Paver
Bride's Father: John Cowley, Coffee Roaster
Witness: Henry Janion; Mary Janion, (X)
Married by Banns by: Tho. Halton M. A. Curate
Register: Marriages 1850, Page 223, Entry 445
Source: LDS Film 1656510

Marriage: 14 Jul 1874 St Peter, Everton, Lancashire, England
William Tipping - 21, Hay straw dealer, Bachelor, 117 Smithdown Lane
Mary Jenion - 22, Spinster, 24 Netherfield Road North
Groom's Father: John Tipping, Hay straw dealer
Bride's Father: William Jenion, Labourer
Witness: Bryan Lunt; Elizabeth Saunders
Married by Banns by: Stephen Brain Sutton
Register: Marriages 1873 - 1877, Page 38, Entry 76
Source: LDS Film 1656020

When did Jenion marry Tipping? Do you have the cert?

Why does the 1800 marriage seem ‘weird’?

I've been trying to do some follow-up on this family and have got myself more confused than ever.

My direct line is Mary Jenion married to William Tipping and I'm trying to go further back with the Jenions.
Mary's parents were William Jenion and Jane Cowley.
William's parents were Henry Jenion and Mary Green.

In 1841 census William is lodging with a Green family, as shown in this thread. The head of the Green family is shown as William age 35, a paviour, and William Jenion as an apprentice paviour. Could William Green be William Jenion's uncle, brother of his mother? Found a birth for Mary for 2 April 1801 with parents Henry and Elizabeth. Then I found a marriage for Henry Green and Elizabeth Genion for 8 April 1800 in Liverpool. This seems weird to me.

Thanks everyone ... have to take a closer look at this, as I said a very confusing family.

The earlier ALICE

AINSWORTH, ALICE HANNAH (MMN) JENION
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 418


AINSWORTH, ALICE HANNAH 1
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in WEST DERBY & TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 342

Alice Hannah Ainsworth born 1856 buried Liverpool Lancashire 18/5/1858.


Maryb

The child aged 1 in 1861 couldn't be the one born 1856

THIS is the one on 1861

AINSWORTH, ALICE (MMN) KNOWLES
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 451

AND.......................... the marriage of her parents

Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
Ainsworth Thomas Prescot 8b 755
Knowles Sarah Prescot 8b 755

?? Confirmation of marriage Margaret Jenion to Thomas Ainsworth.

Margaret died 1856 buried in Huyton 14/12/1856

They had daughter Alice Hannah baptised5/8/1856

1861 Huyton Village
Robert Gore 73 born Blackburn died 1862
Ann Gore 72
Thomas Ainsworth 42
Sarah Ainsworth 33 Blackburn
Mary 11
Alice 1 born Huyton not sure if this is Alice Hannah/Anna
Henry Jenion lodger born 1786 a pavior born Huyton

Robert Goar a widower married in Blackburn 14/7/1825 to Nancy Ainsworth a widow I think.

Maryb.

Until 1875, there were no penalties for not registering births.

Your Thomas 1839 may simply not have been registered

Although, the other possible scenario is that Henry, the Pavior, was his grandfather, but named as father when Thomas married to save face. OR - Thomas didn't know he wasn't actually Henry's son

Which would mean that the birth cert IS the right child

As far as the surname in 1841 census is concerned, you said yourself that the name is spelled many different ways.
It depends on how the enumerator thought it should be spelled, and also on what the transcriber could make of the often bad handwriting.

I think we are sure that the 1841 with Henry's occupation as pavior is the correct one, even though Ancestry and FMP have transcribed it with two different spellings, as in the two versions we've posted.

Even though Henry's occupation is shown as labourer on the marriage record, I can only see one Margaret Jenion or similar in Huyton with father Henry in 1841.


The Worshipful Company of Paviors is London-orientated. I doubt if they would have any records relating to Lancashire.

Had a quick look but didn't see anything referring to archives - I guess I'd have to contact them.

Record Transcription:
1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Village, Huyton, Prescot, Lancashire, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Henry Gemon Male 50 1791 Lancashire, England
Mary Gemon Female 50 1791 Lancashire, England
Margaret Gemon Female 20 1821 Lancashire, England
Henry Gemon Male 15 1826 Lancashire, England
William Gemon Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England
James Gemon Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England
Thomas Gemon Male 2 1839 -

image looks like genion

henry is a pavior