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Rose Ayling b.1871/2 Worthing, Sussex gave an interview to the local paper in 1952 and stated that she had had 13 children and 7 of these were still living. I know who the 7 children were as they are in my tree but that means there are another 6 that I cannot find at all. There is a possible one on Ancestry and I will buy the certificate but not sure how I will know if it is definitely one of her children.

I've looked up possible births on FreeBMD but when I cross referenced them on the census they didn't seem to be the correct ones.

Any help or advice appreciated as very frustrating not being able to find them.

Thank you.
Maisy

As you must know both her maiden and married surnames, and where she was living through the years, use the GRO site:

https://www.gro.gov.uk

You have to register, but it's free to use.
Search births using her married and maiden surnames, leaving first name box blank .
You can search in batches of 5 years, as each year can be +/-2 .

When you find a possible birth, you can then search for a matching death within a few years after the birth.

Children who died in infancy probably won't appear on censuses, as they would have lived and died between censuses.

Was Ayling her maiden or her married name?

Is this a new thing looking on the GRO site as never used it before?

It's been on the go for a few years now, but still relatively new.


Just to add -
deaths on GRO don't give the mothers ms, but do give the deceased person's age - and most likely the child would have died in the same reg district in which he/she was born, so you can usually figure it out easily.

What does 1911 census say about the number of children she has borne?

If you would like to have some help, tell us who she married - or was Ayling the married name?

So Rose married Albert Clark and on the 1911 census they were living in West Ham and it states that they have had 6 children, 5 living and 1 died. I can account for all of these. Its the article in the newspaper that states 13 children.

Thanks ArgyllGran I will have a look age the GRO site now.

As the rest of the children were born after 1911, the MMN will be on freebmd. Just put in both surnames to search

The GRO only goes up to 1919 for births

But it might not be so easy!

Assuming she's the Rose Ayling who married Albert John Clark in 1898, by 1911 she'd had 6 children and 1 had died.

The first births are easily found:

CLARK, FLORENCE ROSIE mms AYLING
GRO Reference: 1899 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 160

CLARK, ALBERT GEORGE AYLING
GRO Reference: 1900 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 154

CLARK, FREDERICK HENRY AYLING
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 215



Strangely, the daughter Queenie who is on the 1911 census is registered with mms Brown ???

CLARK, QUEENIE LOUISA mms BROWN
GRO Reference: 1905 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 154

Baptism proves she's the right child:

Queenie Louisa Clark
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Queenie Louisa Clark
Birth Date: 24 Mar
Baptism Date: 3 May 1905
Baptism Place: Essex, England
Father: Albert George Clark
Mother: Rose Clark



Then there's Alfred on the 1911 census:

Walter Alfred Charles Clark
in the Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918
Name: Walter Alfred Charles Clark
Birth Date: 15 Aug
Baptism Date: 23 Oct 1907
Baptism Place: Essex, England
Father: Albert George Clark
Mother: Rose Florence Clark

Although baptised as Walter, he's not Walter at birth registration - and again has mms Brown:

CLARK, ALFRED CHARLES mms BROWN
GRO Reference: 1907 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 327


Haven't looked further than that yet.
Maybe I'm wrong.

There is a Clark/Ayling birth in 1913 in W Ham.

But would she - being realistic - have had seven children after the age of 40?

Rose Clark
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Rose Clark
Age in 1911: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Worthing, Sussex
Civil Parish: West Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street Address: 26 Frederick Road, Custom House E
Marital status: Married
Estimated Marriage Year: 1898
Registration District: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration District: Canning Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 9485
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Clark 35
Rose Clark 39
Florence Clark 12
Albert Clark 11
Queenie Clark 6
Alfred Clark 4
Frederick Clark

Is this relevant ??

Albert George Clark
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name: Albert George Clark
Registration Year: 1898
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: West Ham
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 312
Records on Page:
Name
Rose Brown
Albert George Clark


Are Rose Brown and Rose Ayling the same person?

The Ayling marriage doesn't appear on FreeBMD.

Rose Ayling
in the Essex, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1935
Name: Rose Ayling
Gender: Female
Marriage Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1872
Marriage Place: Victoria Docks, St Luke, Essex, England
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1898
Father: John Ayling
Spouse: Albert George Clark

There’s a marriage in W Ham in 1898 for Albert Clark and Rose Brown

What do you know about Rose’s early years?

ArgyllGran you've got the right 1911 census.

Rose also had another child in 1913.

Just to confuse matters Rose uses her birth name on some of her children's birth certificates so some are Brown and some are Ayling. She's a complicated woman!

So if Rose is both Brown and Ayling, there's this possible birth and death:

Birth:
CLARK, GEORGE ARTHUR CHARLES mms BROWN
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 195

Death:
CLARK, GEORGE ARTHUR CHARLES 0
GRO Reference: 1900 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 124


However, the only way to prove it is to buy one of the certs for father's name.

Rose Ayling is in East Ham in 1881 - father John
Can’t pin her down in 1891 - yet

It helps people to help you if you tell us everything you know at the start, rather than piecemeal

I’m assuming now that John Ayling married her mother after Rose was born -is that so?

Everything you have put on here is right.

She was born Rose Brown then her mother married John Ayling although I've never found the marriage.

Maybe when the registrar asked for mothers maiden name she gave her own mothers name which would be Brown. It has happened on another certificate that I have.

Name: Rosa Ayling
Gender: Female
Age: 19
Relationship: Servant
Birth Year: 1872
Birth Place: Worthing, Sussex, England
Civil Parish: Finchley
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Residence Place: East Finchley, Finchley, Middlesex, England
Registration District: Barnet
Sub registration district: Finchley
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1056
Folio: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
Ernest W E Blandford 29
Louisa E Blandford 27
Ethel A Blandford Under 3/12
Rosa Ayling 19

This could be Rose in 1891 as she is a domestic and born in Worthing but just got the name wrong.

ErikaH - There is no father on Rose's birth certificate.

I can't find a marriage for John Ayling and Harriet Brown and yes they would have married after her birth.