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What Happened to Samuel Hebergen?

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 3 Aug 2021 15:54

'Marjason' is extremely unlikely to have any relevance.

There don't appear to have been any offspring for Samuel & Mary

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 3 Aug 2021 09:31

For interest -

Is this the 1851 record you think is the right one?
I had discounted it because both her marriages were in Boston, and Spridlington is over 40 miles away.
But I suppose she may have gone to Boston before 1824 for work - she was already 34 when she married Samuel


Mary Young
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Mary Young
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph Young
Gender: Female
Where born: Spridlington, Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Wrangle
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
View image
Registration District: Boston
Sub-registration District: Kirton in Holland
ED, institution, or vessel: 6b
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 85
Piece: 2098
Folio: 361
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Young 59 - Dublin, Ireland
Mary Young 62


Possibly Joseph's death, if his age is actually 69 on the 1851 census. It's hard to decipher the first figure and may have been mistranscribed.

YOUNG, JOSEPH 69
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in BOSTON Volume 14 Page 152

Julie

Julie Report 2 Aug 2021 22:48

Apologies, didn't spot that it was ErikaH who found the 1841 census.

Having looked at the baptism/birth records for Boston, Marjason does seem to be a surname that appears for more than one couple, so I'm not convinced "my" Samuel and Mary had any children.

Have traced Mary on the 1851 census and her death in 1854, and found her baptisn and parents - which is usually what I like to do for those who "marry in".

Kicking myself that I didn't think about the "H" being dropped.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2021 18:03

:-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

WHO posted the 1841 census?????????

Julie

Julie Report 2 Aug 2021 17:41

Have looked at the register scans for the items safc found. They do seem to fit together.
The marriage register transcript is in error, the bride's father is John Crow not Crowson, which fits. As does the fact that the 1841 census is St George's Lane, which is the same address as the marriage register. Death of Samuel late 1847 and Mary's marriage as a widow in Apr 1848 also dovetail.

Have had a brief look for any other baptisms that might fit, but more delving in the baptisms for Boston St Botolphs to do. Will also be following up on Samuel jnr and Mary following her 2nd marriage.

Many thanks for your help!

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2021 17:08

WHO?????

Julie

Julie Report 2 Aug 2021 17:06

Thanks safc, have been out at a meeting, will look at the items you have kindly found. You've done just what I was hoping and thought of or come across some variations I hadn't. Will post again once I've had chance to delve into what you've found.

safc

safc Report 2 Aug 2021 16:32

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Baptism entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Lincolnshire
Place (Links to more information) Boston
Church name (Links to more information) St Botolph
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Register entry number 2029
Baptism date 16 May 1825
Person forename Samuel
Person sex M
Father forename Samuel
Mother forename Mary
Father surname MARJASON
Person abode Boston
Father occupation Labourer
Transcribed by Mick Claxton
File line number 101

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2021 16:01

ABIGAM, SAMUEL 51
GRO Reference: 1847 D Quarter in BOSTON Volume 14 Page 167

safc

safc Report 2 Aug 2021 15:28

Marriage entry While we have made all efforts to correctly record the information in the original document there may be different interpretations of the written words. If you have access to the original document and believe we have made a mistake you are encouraged to report this to us. Report an Error in this Data Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Lincolnshire
Place (Links to more information) Boston
Church name (Links to more information) St Botolph
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Marriage date 05 Apr 1848
Groom forename Joseph
Groom surname YOUNG
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname ABIGHEM
Bride condition wid
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname YOUNG
Bride father forename John
Bride father surname CROWSON
Transcribed by Michael Clarke
File line number 923

safc

safc Report 2 Aug 2021 15:26

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Marriages Jun 1848 (>99%)
ABIGHEM Mary Boston 14 337 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Abigken Mary Boston 14 337 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Booth James Boston 14 337 Scan available - click to view
Graves Eliza Boston 14 337 Scan available - click to view
INMAN Henry Boston 14 337 Scan available - click to view
LEWES Mary Ann Boston 14 337 Scan available - click to view
ROBINSON Richard Boston 14 337 Scan available - click to view
SHADFORD Ann Boston 14 337 Scan available - click to view
YOUNG Joseph Boston 14 337

safc

safc Report 2 Aug 2021 15:19

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Field
(only fields with a value are shown) Value
County Lincolnshire
Place (Links to more information) Boston
Church name (Links to more information) St Botolph
Register type (Links to more information) Parish Register
Burial date 24 Oct 1847
Burial person forename Samuel
Burial person surname ABIGIEN
Person age 50
Burial person abode Boston
Transcribed by Mick Claxton
File line number 1659

safc

safc Report 2 Aug 2021 15:17

????

Deaths Dec 1847 (>99%)
ABIGAM Samuel Boston 14 167

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Aug 2021 14:47

Ancestry 1841 ???????

Name: Samuel Avigham..............Occ: Ropemaker
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Lincolnshire, England
Civil Parish: Boston
Hundred: Boston
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration District: Boston
Sub-registration District: Boston
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 613
Book: 8
Folio: 27
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Samuel Avigham 45
Mary Avigham 50


FMP version

St George Lane, Boston, Lincolnshire, England
Samuel Avegham Male 45 1796 Lincolnshire, England
Mary Avegham Female 50 1791 Lincolnshire, England

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 2 Aug 2021 14:26

A lot of Lincs families moved into Yorkshire to work in the growing industries there. But somewhere in the back of my mind is the idea that many Lincs families were paid to emigrate. But that one may have been before this time.

Try pronouncing the surname in as many accents as you can and work out how the name could be spelt.

Julie

Julie Report 2 Aug 2021 13:48

The parish registers for the locations in Lincolnshire associated with the wider family have survived, and many are available as scans as well as transcripts, but of course they could have gone elsewhere.

I've looked at the records for those leaving the UK and can't see anything that fits, but of course not all those records have survived, and again there may be the issue of mis-recording/mistranscription of an uncommon surname.

It may be that they are in records somewhere, but I haven't hit on the spelling/transciption for them. I was hoping some fresh eyes might come up with some spelling/transcript that I hadn't thought of.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 2 Aug 2021 08:43

Could they have emigrated?

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Aug 2021 08:39

Well as there’s no bmds till 1837 and census before 1841 then it would only be parish records of any births or deaths or remarriage

Not all parish records have survived or been released for transcription

Julie

Julie Report 1 Aug 2021 22:32

I suspect the issue may be odd spelling/transcription of the surname. I've come across several variations, along transcriptions that I don't feel reflect the actual record, for other family members. It's odd that both Samuel and Mary seem to just disappear after they married.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 1 Aug 2021 22:20

I saw Susannah and thought she may be a sibling

My only thought was maybe he died before official registration started in 1937