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Can anyone help? I have been searching for a D.O.D & a place of Death for my Great-Grandmother Mary Jane Lee ( Nee Ubsdell) but so far been unsuccessful in all my leads.So now have decided to make another stab at it. Mary Jane Lee was born in Poplar London ( Mary Jane Ubsdell) in 1865, Married twice first to a Frederick Butlin & then William Lee.. Last known address was Balfour Road, Portsmouth at the start of WW2. I have searched the records office in Portsmouth & Southampton where her 2nd husband William Lee is buried. Regards

For INFO...................

1939 Register
85 Balfour Road, Portsmouth, Portsmouth C.B., Hampshire, England
Mary J Lee 15 Sep 1865 Female Incapacitated Widowed 142 1
John H Martin 03 Dec 1878 Male Bread Baker Widowed 142 2
Robert Devlin 02 Dec 1886 Male General Labourer Single 142 3


Name Mary Jane Butlin
Gender Female
Record Type Divorce
Type Husband's petition for divorce [HD]
Petition Date 1905
Spouse Frederick John Butlin
Co-Respondent 1 William Lee
Divorce Court File Number 5666

Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
Lee William Portsmouth 2b 792
UBSDELL Mary Jane Portsmouth 2b 792

Thank you. If a person was Incapacitated would they be just housebound or moved to a nursing home, just to give me something more to go on

Thank you. If a person was Incapacitated would they be just housebound or moved to a nursing home, just to give me something more to go on

Maybe her death ???


LEE, MARY JANE 81
GRO Reference: 1946 S Quarter in ANDOVER Volume 06B Page 47


Impossible to answer re "incapacitated" - depends on how incapacitated she was.

Freebmd has a postem stating that one was the widow of George

In that case, she didn't die in Hampshire.

Mary Jane Lee is a very common name, so it will probably be impossible to find her death without buying several death certs, as we don't know where else she might have died.

FMP has only four deaths 1950+/- 10 of Mary J Lee born 1865…..one in Surrey also has a postem attached on freebmd, stating that her husband was James

Have you tracked her children forward, their children etc. Mary may have gone to live with family in later life and if you can find descendants, someone may know something.

One died in Islington Hospital in 1940 - a widow of 149 Hemingford Road, Barnsbury, according to the Probate record on FMP
(Probate granted to Helen Midgley)

No-one named Lee at that address in 1939………..

EDITED

Death was in April, so probably not relevant, as the age would have been 64 if it was the woman born Sep 1865

Which of Mary’s children was your grandparent?

Have you considered another marriage? Unlikely, but.......

I can't see an obvious one though.

Incapacitated is rather a sweeping definition.

My aunt is recorded so in 1939.
She went on to marry, led a full life and didn't die until 2004. I knew her well and the only thing wrong with her was one leg a bit shorter than the other, so she wore a built up shoe.

my Grandparents were Frederick William Lee (Butler) D.O.D 1948 Portsmouth & Maria, Born Karoline Whilhelmina Maria Lee (Janke) D.O.D 1928 Southampton.

my Grandparents were Frederick William Lee (Butler) D.O.D 1948 Portsmouth & Maria, Born Karoline Whilhelmina Maria Lee (Janke) D.O.D 1928 Southampton.

OOps not Butler. BUTLIN

Births Dec 1916
Lee Frederick A Ubsdell London C. 1c 14

Name: Frederick A Lee
Death Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1916
Registration Date: Oct 1916
[Nov 1916]
[Dec 1916]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: London City
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 39

Sheil means this one, who was aged 61 at death in 1948:

BUTLIN, FREDERICK WILLIAM UBSDELL mmn UBSDELL
GRO Reference: 1886 D Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 431


Frederick Arthur, (whom Shirley at first suggested in her post above, but then edited it.)

Frederick A Lee
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Frederick A Lee
Death Age: 0
Birth Date: abt 1916
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: London City
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 39

There was a Lee/Ubsdell marriage in Southwark in 1915.

So what about descendants of the first marriage
Have you traced any of them ?

Just for info
1901 census

Name Mary J Butlin
Age 35
Estimated Birth Year abt 1866
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Spouse Frederick J Butlin
Birth Place Poplar, London, England
Civil parish Portsmouth
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Ecclesiastical parish St Stephens
Town Portsmouth
County/Island Hampshire
Country England
Registration district Portsmouth
Sub-registration district North End and Buckland
ED, institution, or vessel 29
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Piece 982
Folio 92
Page number 37
Household schedule number 253
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Frederick J Butlin
36 Head
Mary J Butlin 35 Wife
Mary E Butlin
15 Daughter
Frederick W Butlin
14 Son
Bertram G Butlin
11 Son
Alfred J Butlin
10 Son
Ernest G Butlin
9 Son

Why did Frederick William die as Lee if he was born Butlin

Is this his wife ?
Deaths Mar 1928
Lee Maria C 32 Southampton 2c 114

So why Lee and not Butlin ?

So Maria was living with William and Mary in 1921

1921 Census Of England & Wales
49, New Road, Southampton, Hampshire, England
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First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
William Lee Head Male 1874 47 Portsmouth, Hampshire, England Steward White Star Line, Ship Owners
Mary Jane Lee Wife Female 1868 53 Isle of Dogs, London, England Home Duties -
Marie Lee Daughter-in-law Female 1895 26 Germany Home Duties -
Ruth Hilda Lee Grandchild Female 1920 1 Cologne, Germany - -


So guessing Frederick married Maria in germany