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It is also possible that one or other of them was not very fertile ....................

my maternal grandmother had 4 children, born 1903, 1910, 1915, and 1925.

My mother was the eldest, and there was never ever any mention of still births or miscarriages, though that could always have been the reason.

It’s always possible there were other pregnancies or even still births in the gap between the youngest two children .

Who knows !

But they were all together in 1921 and indeed later because of the birth of Betty !

And still in 1925 when the daughter Alice Mary married

Thank you very much for all your quick replies.
I could not find confirmation of father Frederick's death and presumed he died during WW1. I wondered whether his wife Alice had re-married, and queried Ernest1921 surname as the mother's MMN would still be Andrews if she re-married.
It seems odd that there is a gap of 11 years before more children were born!

Also, I did notice a Betty Jawdynska (Mead) in the 1939 Register and presumed the other person was her mother, as the father was in an automotive occupation. But I could not find a death record for him. Perhaps he was unwell elsewhere and died in 1960, as Shirley mentions.

Again, thank you all for the extra information.
Terence.

names ............. I pondered that question last night and came to the conclusion that Terence had used Freebmd for birth registrations, and Ernest was the first child born (or registered) after Freebmd shows the mmn

So I think Terence thought that Ernest had been named Ernest Andrews Mead, not realising that it was in fact mmn being shown.

I tried to show that by posting the 3 birth registrations from GRO, which do show mmn Andrews.

I doubt very much that he has any idea..................

I know that is what he wrote but it didn't make sense if he was looking for a child of the Meads/ Andrews marriage.

Terence needs to confirm the actual birthdate of his Ernest.

Betty changed her name to Jawdynska by Deed Poll in 1943

Marriages Jun 1963 (>99%)
JAWDYNS[K_]A BETTY HICHALAK ST.PANCRAS 5D 696
MEAD BETTY MICHALAK ST.PANCRAS 5D 696
MICHALAK EDWARD JAWDYNSKA ST.PANCRAS 5D 696
MICHALAK EDWARD MEAD ST.PANCRAS 5D 696

That one was born in Bethnal Green and is there in 1921

The birth - posted at 03.59 - clearly shows MMN Andrews, which is what Terence said in his OP

I read that as Ernest having the Andrews surname.

There is a death in Bethnal Green in 1922 of an Ernest Mead born about 1921 - Terence will need to get that death certificate.

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Deaths Jun 1976 (>99%)
MEAD ERNEST 24NO1920 COLCHESTER 9 2046

The father is on 1921 census...................................................

Have you got Ernest’s birth certificate to prove he is Alice’s son? Because any child of hers born after marriage would have the Meads surname.

I counted 15…………..on page one ;-) ;-)

I don't know if Shirley (7.53 am) is referring to the surname or the christian names. Terence has a whole raft of threads on the Mead family.

In 1939, Alice say she is ‘Married’………

The deaths posted by Shirley look very likely - they’re on freebmd

Where did you look?

You say the father ‘seems to have survived WW1’ - isn’t that rather obvious, as he’s on the 1921 census. ;-) ;-) ;-)

Possibly death

Name: Age at Death (in years):
MEAD, ALICE 84
GRO Reference: 1948 J Quarter in SURREY NORTH-EASTERN Volume 05G Page 439

And

Deaths Sep 1960
MEAD Frederick W 80 Surrey N. 5c 354

Looks like there was another daughter

MEAD, BETTY ANDREWS
GRO Reference: 1923 D Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 522

1939 register

Name Alice M Mead
Gender Female
Marital Status Married
Birth Date 26 Feb 1883
Residence Date 1939
Address 3 Holland Park. Mews
Residence Place Kensington, London, England
Occupation Garage Propietess
Line Number 9
Schedule Number 164
Sub Schedule Number 1
Enumeration District Amah
Borough Kensington
Registration district 2-1 5a.
Household Members (Name) Age
Alice M Mead 56
Betty Mead
16



Name Betty Mead
[Betty Jawdynska.]




Name Betty Jawdynska
Electoral Date 1945
Street Address 27 Cornwall mansions
Ward or Division/Constituency St Marylebone
County or Borough Tower Hamlets, England

With Alice Mary Mead

Still at same address together in 1947 .

Alice no longer there is 1949

Name Alice Mary Mead
Gender Female
Marriage Age 20
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1905
Marriage Date 13 Jun 1925
Marriage Place Saint Marylebone: Marylebone Road, Westminster
Father
Frederick William Mead
Spouse
Harry Edward Wareham


Both Alice and Frederick were witnesses


Just to round off

Name: Alice Mary Wareham
Death Age: 86
Birth Date: 9 Jul 1904
Registration Date: Mar 1991
Registration District: Worthing
Inferred County: West Sussex
Volume: 18
Page: 2799


Name: Harry E Wareham
Death Age: 64
Birth Date: abt 1895
Registration Date: Oct 1959
[Nov 1959]
[Dec 1959]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Surrey South eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 778

Just for ref

1921 census
111, Devonshire Mews West, Marylebone, St Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Frederick William Mead Head Male 1879 41 Sarratt, Hertfordshire, England Motor Engineer, Repairer & Accessery Agent Own Account
Alice Mary Mead Wife Female 1883 38 Kensington, London, England Home Duties -
Alice Mary Mead Daughter Female 1904 16 Brompton, London, England - -
Frederick William Mead Son Male 1910 10 Marylebone, London, England - -
Ernest Mead Son Male 1921 - Marylebone, London, England
Age 6months