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lily Carins 1887..1989

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Pauline

Pauline Report 19 Apr 2023 12:38

lily was 101 when she died in Cumberland
She married Daniel LAVERY In 1912Whitehaven
in1881 i think she was in a lodging house aged 3 with Geogre 14 yrs
There also Peter aged53
Could anyone find any more info on who are her parents
thank you
on the 1891 states born Scotland

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 12:43

The marriage cert should name her father .if known

Have you looked on the gro for her birth Reg ?that should give her mmn or indicate if she was illegitimate

Query ! How could she be in a lodging house in 1881 if she wasn’t born till c1887

Pauline

Pauline Report 19 Apr 2023 12:47

Sorry 1891

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 12:53

Surely she was Cairns not Carins



Marriages Jun 1912
Cairns Lily Lavery Whitehaven 10b 1297
Lavery Daniel Cairns Whitehaven 10b 1297

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 12:55

1891 census says she was born in Scotland

Name Lily Cairns
Gender Female
Age 3
Relationship Lodger
Birth Year 1888
Birth Place Scotland
Civil parish Cockermouth
Ecclesiastical parish All Saints
Residence Place Cockermouth, Cockermouth, Cumberland, England
Registration district Cockermouth
Sub registration district Cockermouth
ED, Institution or Vessel 1
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 4301
Folio 11
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Mary Burns
70 Head
Margaret Burns
44 Daughter
Elizabeth Burns
31 Daughter
Annie Todd
16 Granddaughter
Peter Cairns
53 Lodger
George Cairns
14 Lodger
Lily Cairns 3

So you need Scotlands People website to look for her birth

You will have to buy units to open the record

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 12:58

On the free search this looks like her birth


CAIRNS
LILY KEYS
F
1888
644 / 2 / 1380
CAMLACHIE

Edit

Not this one she was born 21sept 1888 and was illegitimate

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 14:02

Her actual birth date given


Name Lily Lavery
Gender Female
Birth Date 19 Oct 1887
Birth Place Whitehaven, Copeland Borough, Cumbria, England
Death Date 5 Jul 1989
Death Place Cockermouth, Allerdale Borough, Cumbria, England
Cemetery Whitehaven Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Whitehaven, Copeland Borough, Cumbria, England
Has Bio? Y
Spouse
Daniel Lavery
URL
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/216636566/lily-lavery

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 14:12

She was registered as Lilly Cairns

Born 19th oct 1887 at 31 Main Street Pollockhaws ?

Fatter Peter Cairns occ circular sawyer (journeyman )
Mother Martha nee Bradfield

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 14:39

1881 census

Name George Cairns
Age 3
Estimated Birth Year abt 1878
Relationship Stepson (Step Son)
Mother's Name Martha Cairns
Gender Male
Where born Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number 644/5
Registration district Blackfriars
Civil parish Glasgow St Paul
County Lanarkshire
Address 9 Dean St.
ED 18
Household schedule number 63
Line 1
Roll cssct1881_226
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Peter Cairns
45 Head
Martha Cairns
32 Wife
James Cairns
21 Son
Thomas Cairns
18 Son
Francis Cairns
17 Son
Patrick Cairns
14 Son
George Cairns 3 Stepson (Step Son)
Alfred Cairns
10 Stepson (Step Son)

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 14:41

Name Martha Bradfield
Age 19
Estimated Birth Year abt 1852
Relationship Daughter
Father's Name George Bradfield
Mother's Name Elizth Bradfield
Gender Female
Where born England
Registration Number 644/4
Registration district Calton
Civil parish Glasgow St Andrew
County Lanarkshire
Address 42 St Andrews Sq
Occupation Bool Fetter
ED 12
Household schedule number 34
Line 3
Roll CSSCT1871_130
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
George Bradfield
56 Head Of Family (Head)
Elizth Bradfield
56 Wife
Martha Bradfield 19 Daughter
Jane Bradfield
17 Daughter
Samuel Bradfield
13 Son
Susan Bradfield
10 Daughter

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 14:48

Alfred was a Bradfield

Born illgitimate dec3 1871 mother martha Bradfield occ boot fitter

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 14:51

George too was a Bradfield and illegitimate

Born George Sutherland Bradfield 6th Jan 1878 at 21 Gilmour street Glasgow mother martha occ boot fitter

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 19 Apr 2023 14:58

Shirley has done very well with everything she has found but if you are planning to continue researching a family in Scotland you really. need to look at Scotlandspeople.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 19 Apr 2023 15:03

It’s doenst look like Martha and Peter were actually married

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Apr 2023 15:42

Birth search result from Scotlands People . You need to Register with the site. Searches giving results such as this below are free.

You can buy Credits - 30 for £7.50 last time I bought. 6 Credits will allow you to look at the actual certificate and download.

Surname Forename Mothers Maiden Name Gender Year Ref RD Name
CAIRNS LILLY BRADFIELD F 1887 562 / 429 EASTWOOD
View (6 credits) Order certificate

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Apr 2023 15:48

Marriage ??? (was elizabeth a mistake)
Surname Forename Spouse Surname Spouse Forename Year Ref RD Name
CAIRNS PETER BRADFIELD ELIZABETH 1880 644 / 5 / 145 BLACKFRIARS

Had a look at certificate.

Married 28th August, Trinity Free Church, Charlotte Street, Glasgow.
Peter age 43, a wood Sawyer (journeyman) and Widower of 118 Abercromby Street, Glasgow.s/o Peter Cairns General Labourer deceased and Agnes Cairns Maiden surname Doherty (Deceased

Elizabeth 31 Spinster and a Warehouse worker of 109 Abercromby Street, d/o George Bradfield Shoemaker Journeyman and Elizabeth Bradfield M>S< Chilcott (deceased)

witnesses - Jane ...?, Adelaide Stewart, Ada M Stewart

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Apr 2023 16:23

1881 repeated in easier to read layout and 1871 below to compare families. Patrick 1871, Peter 1881, ? has to be the same man as the children's names and ages fit



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
9, Dean Street, City Glasgow, Blackfriars, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Peter Cairns Head Married Male 45 1836 Circular sawyer Ireland
Martha Cairns Wife Married Female 32 1849 Machinist England
James Cairns Son - Male 21 1860 Labourer machinery Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Thomas Cairns Son - Male 18 1863 Machine boy Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Francis Cairns Son - Male 17 1864 Machine boy Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Patrick Cairns Son - Male 14 1867 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
George Cairns Step son - Male 3 1878 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Alfred Cairns Step son - Male 10 1871 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Havannah, 16, Blackfriars or College, High Church, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Cairns Head Married Male 35 1836 Wood sawyer Ireland
Catherine Cairns Wife Married Female 32 1839 - Ireland
John Cairns Son - Male 14 1857 Potter Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Cairns Son - Male 11 1860 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Thomas Cairns Son - Male 9 1862 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Francis Cairns Son - Male 7 1864 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Patrick Cairns Son - Male 3 1868 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Helen Duffy Mother-in-law Widow Female 68 1803 - Ireland

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Catherine recorded by her Maiden surname -

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Drygate Street, St Mungo, High Church, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ellen Lennan Head Widow Female 50 1811 Housekeeper Ireland
Catherine Lennan Daughter Married Female 23 1838 Housekeeper Ireland
James Lennan Son Unmarried Male 20 1841 Tobacco pipe maker Ireland
Patrick Cairns Son-in-law Married Male 26 1835 Sawyer Ireland
John Cairns Grand son - Male 4 1857 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
James Cairns Grand son - Male 1 1860 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland





greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Apr 2023 16:41

Marriage
Surname Forename Spouse Surname Spouse Forename Year Ref RD Name
CAIRNS PATRICK LENNAN CATHERINE 1855 644 / 1 / 86 GLASGOW CENTRAL DISTRICT

? Death
Surname Forename Age at death Mother's Maiden Name Gender Year Ref RD Name
CAIRNS CATHERINE 39 DUFFY F 1876 644 / 6 / 485 ST ROLLOX

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Apr 2023 16:52

Repeating the 1871 Bradfield census with births showing mmn Chilcutt as per the 1880 marriage of Peter and Elizabeth

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
St Andrews Square, 42, St Andrews Glasgow, Calton, Lanarkshire, Scotland

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Bradfield Head Married Male 56 1815 Boot maker England
Elizabeth Bradfield Wife Married Female 56 1815 - England
Martha Bradfield Daughter Unmarried Female 19 1852 Boot fitter England
Jane Bradfield Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1854 Machinest England
Samuel Bradfield Son - Male 13 1858 Message boy England
Susan Bradfield Daughter - Female 10 1861 Scholar England

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BRADFIELD, MARTHA CHILCUTT
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 68

BRADFIELD, JANE CHILCUTT
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 72

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BRADFIELD, SAMUEL CHILCUTT
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 79

greyghost

greyghost Report 19 Apr 2023 17:12

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
15, Regent Terrace, St Philip and St Jacob, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George Bradfield Head Married Male 47 1814 Boot maker -
Elizabeth Bradfield Wife Married Female 46 1815 - St George's, Gloucestershire, England
William Bradfield Son Unmarried Male 18 1843 Boot maker -
George Bradfield Son Unmarried Male 15 1846 Boot maker -
Martha Bradfield Daughter - Female 8 1853 Scholar Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Jane Bradfield Daughter - Female 7 1854 Scholar Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Samuel Bradfield Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar -
Susan Bradfield Daughter - Female 1 1860 - -
John Morgan Boarder Unmarried Male 28 1833 Shoe maker -


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Another generation back -

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
2, Honeypen Hill, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Bradfield Head Married Male 82 1769 Boot maker Brixham, Devon, England
Jane Bradfield Wife Married Female 74 1777 Boot maker wife Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Wales
George Bradfield Son Married Male 37 1814 Boot maker Clifton, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Bradfield - Married Female 36 1815 Boot maker wife St George, Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Bradfield Grand daughter Unmarried Female 18 1833 Shop assistant St George, Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Bradfield Grand son Unmarried Male 10 1841 Scholar -
William Bradfield Grand son - Male 8 1843 Scholar -
George Bradfield Grand son - Male 6 1845 Scholar -
Martha Bradfield Daughter Unmarried Female 30 1821 Dress maker - (DAU. of Wm and Jane)
James Daubeny Lodger Unmarried Male 22 1829 Boot maker Pontypool, Monmouthshire, Wales
John Morgan Nephew Unmarried Male 17 1834 Apprentice shoe maker -

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1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Stapleton Road Gloster Place, St Philip & Jacob Without, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
George Bradfield Male 25 1816 -
Elizabeth Bradfield Female 25 1816 Gloucestershire, England
Elizabeth Bradfield Female 9 1832 Gloucestershire, England
Thomas Bradfield Male 7 1834 Gloucestershire, England
William Bradfield Male 5 1836 Gloucestershire, England
Robert Bradfield Male 2 1839 Gloucestershire, England

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and William & Jane

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Honey Pen Hill Place, Clifton, Gloucestershire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Bradfield Male 70 1771 Gloucestershire, England Shoemaker
Jane Bradfield Female 58 1783 Gloucestershire, England Binder
Martha Bradfield Female 20 1821 Gloucestershire, England Dressmaker
Thomas Mason Male 60 1781 Gloucestershire, England
Mary Mason Female 60 1781 Gloucestershire, England