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Margaret Simpson C1888

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ErikaH

ErikaH Report 24 Jul 2023 15:41

That explains why FMP alerted me to having previously accessed the Hitchcock records...................

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Jul 2023 12:45

Related thread started by Ann yesterday, though concentrating on Margaret's son-in-law Herbert Hitchcock.:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1401874

Kay????

Kay???? Report 10 Jul 2023 14:29

MCPEAK
CHARLES
SIMPSON
ELIZA
1864
677 / 8
COLINTON.

MCPEAK
HENRY
TURNBULL
MARGARET
1862
685 / 4 / 29
ST GILES.

SP marriages.





ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 10 Jul 2023 09:32

I don't really know anything about DNA tests, but I expect it would help if the "fellow genes member who is connected in her tree to Margaret T Simpson 1887 " had also done one.


Margaret is in the GR trees of at least two women - Ann and Elizabeth. Are you in contact with both of them, Brian?

She's also in 5 trees on Ancestry - listed as McPeak or McPeake
One gives her parents as Henry and Margaret, four say John and Elizabeth.

As always with trees, varying amounts of research have been done, with varying accuracy.

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 10 Jul 2023 09:11

Thank you for coming back about the dna. Maybe it is now worth giving it a go. Ancestry have a sale on at the moment. It may not prove anything - but you never know.

Brian

Brian Report 9 Jul 2023 22:30

I should add that I have full access to the other persons tree and they regularly update me with information
Brian

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jul 2023 22:07

Odds are that there is NO link other than lasting friendship, and the adoption of the motherless child

Brian

Brian Report 9 Jul 2023 21:34

Thanks to all who have responded so far.
I have not had a DNA test as has been asked.
To clear things up a bit I add the following.
The McPeak side is in my own tree and has been extensively researched through census and Scottish People with many records saved. I can go back to Bernard McPeak 1805 -his wife Elizabeth Duncan and her parents . I can follow Bernard's children etc forward mostly to 1901 census. The brother Charles who married an Elizabeth Simpson - I have got her parents etc as well.
I was contacted by a fellow genes member who is connected in her tree to Margaret T Simpson 1887 (who Bernard McPeak adopted ) and we are trying to find out if the two trees are connected.
I put the question on the boards in the hope that someone might come up with an answer. There is the somewhat vain hope that the answer is staring us in the face but we are not seeing it.!!!
Again thanks to everyone who has replied so far.

Brian

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 9 Jul 2023 20:08

Hopefully Brian will come back soon and answer the question regarding a dna test.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jul 2023 18:30

I can't suggest why the two families were so friendly -

They didn't live in the same streets, or share occupations.
Even their fathers didn't share occupations - tailor, hammerman, gardener, and cabinet-maker.

In 1861, John and Elizabeth were both living in Fountain Close, High Street.
Henry was in East Crosscauseway, and Margaret in Wharton Lane, which I expect was where Wharton Square is now.
They're all within about half a mile of each other - but several streets apart.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jul 2023 18:15

Sorry, lost my post - just had a violent storm which affected the system

I was suggesting that the links were purely down to the various marriages.................and one didn't have to be a blood relation to do the charitable thing and take in a wee child whose mother had died.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jul 2023 18:12

Henry McPeak's mother's maiden surname was Duncan.
Elizabeth Henderson mother was Riva.
John Simpson's mother (per his marriage cert) was Davidson.
Margaret Turnbull's mother (per marriage cert) was Dickson.

As Brian says, no obvious link among any of them.

The McPeak and Simpson families must have been at least very good friends from at least the time the two couples married, to have given their various surnames as middle names to several children, and for the McPeaks to have taken in young Margaret after her mother died (I agree with ErikaH's suggestion)..

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jul 2023 18:07

MCPEAK
CHARLES
BERNARD MCPEAK / BRIDGET DUNCAN
MALE
24/1/1842
6/2/1842
EDINBURGH, ST MARY'S CATHEDRAL

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jul 2023 17:59


Name Eliza Simpson
Gender Female
Marriage Date 3 Jun 1864
Marriage Place Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland
Spouse Charles McPeak

If you get the cert from SP..........for a few credits, you will learn parents' names.

Name Eliza Simpson McPeak
Death Age 73
Birth Date 24 May 1824
Death Date 8 Nov 1897
Death Place Port Chalmers, Dunedin
Cemetery Northern
Burial Place Port Chalmers, Otago, Dunedin
Spouse Charles McPeak

Name Charles McPeak
Gender Male
Birth Date 1842
Birth Place Scotland
Death Date 20 Jul 1919
Death Place Dunedin City, Otago, New Zealand
Cemetery Northern Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Dunedin, Dunedin City, Otago, New Zealand
Spouse Eliza Simpson McPeak


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Free Church School, Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland
John Simpson Head Widower Male 25 1836 Tailor & clothier Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland
John E A Simpson Son Unmarried Male 1 1860 Son Colinton, Midlothian, Scotland
Eliza Simpson Sister Unmarried Female 34 1827 House keeper Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Jessie Orr Visitor Unmarried Female 4 1857 - Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Robert Dawson Boarder Unmarried Male 22 1839 Journeyman tailor St Cuthbert's, Midlothian, Scotland
Charles McPeak Boarder Unmarried Male 19 1842 Journeyman tailor Canongate, Midlothian, Scotland

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Lower Village, Corstorphine, Midlothian, Scotland
Charles McPeak Head Married Male 29 1842 Tailor Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Eliza McPeak Wife Married Female 38 1833 - Lanarkshire, Scotland
John Simpson McPeak Son - Male 5 1866 Scholar Corstorphine, Midlothian, Scotland
James Limeburner Orr Nephew Unmarried Male 15 1856 Tailor Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jul 2023 17:54

Name Elizabeth Duncan
Gender Female
Burial Age 75
Birth Date abt 1803
Residence Date May 1878
Death Date 20 1878
Burial Date 22 May 1878
Burial Place Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
Cemetery Colinton
Parish Colinton
Spouse Bernard McPeak

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jul 2023 17:46

1851
Name Margaret Furnbull
[Turnbull]
Age 8
Estimated Birth Year abt 1843
Relationship Daughter
Father
Alexander Furnbull
Mother
Elizabeth Furnbull
Gender Female
Where born Edinburgh, Midlothian
Parish Number 685/2
Civil parish Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County Midlothian
Address Roy's Court
ED 56
Page 3
Household schedule number 16
Line 11
Roll CSSCT1851_183
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Alexander Furnbull 39 Head
Elizabeth Furnbull 37 Wife......nee Dickson
Margaret Furnbull 8 Daughter

Name Elizabeth Dickson
Gender Female
Marriage Date 8 Jan 1838
Marriage Place Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Father Adam Dickson
Spouse Alexander Turnbull.........father not named

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jul 2023 17:46

Henry McPeak seems to have been born Bernard, and his mother's name was Duncan - so no blood link there:

MCPEAK
BERNARD
BERNARD MCPEAK / ELISABETH DUNCAN
Male
10/3/1840 (Birth)
29/3/1840 (Baptism)
Edinburgh, St Mary's Cathedral


Bernard Mcpeck
in the 1841 Scotland Census
Name Bernard Mcpeck
Age 1 3 Mo
Estimated Birth Year abt 1840
Gender Male
Where born Midlothian, Scotland
Civil parish Edinburgh Old Church
County Midlothian
Address Jollya Land
Parish Number 685/1
Household Members (Name) Age
Barney Mcpeck 36
Elizabeth Mcpeck 38
Wm Mcpeck 12
Bernard Mcpeck 1 3 Mo
Catherine Mcgrath 10
Elizabeth Mcgrath 8


Bernard Peak
in the 1851 Scotland Census
Name Bernard Peak
Age 11
Estimated Birth Year abt 1840
Relationship Brother
Mother
Elisabeth Peak
Gender Male
Where born Edinr, Midlothian
Parish Number 685/1
Civil parish Edinburgh Old Church
County Midlothian
Address Milnes Close
Occupation Scholar
ED 2
Page 2
Household schedule number 8
Line 20
Roll CSSCT1851_178
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Thomas Mc Garth 21 Head
Ann McGarth 21 Wife
Elisabeth Peak 48 Mother
Bernard Peak 11 Brother
Charels Peak 9 Brother


Henry Mcpeak
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name Henry Mcpeak
Age 21
Estimated Birth Year abt 1840
Relationship Son
Mother's Name Elizabeth Mcpeak
Gender Male
Where born Canongate, edinr
Registration Number 685/5
Registration district Newington
Civil parish Edinburgh St Cuthberts
County Midlothian
Address 68 East Cross Causeway
Occupation Brass Finisher
ED 50
Household schedule number 58
Line 5
Roll CSSCT1861_129
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Elizabeth Mcpeak 57 Head
Henry Mcpeak 21 Son
William Allen 21 Boarder


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jul 2023 17:43

Name Henry McPeak
Gender Male
Marriage Date 14 Jan 1862
Marriage Place Edinburgh, Edinburghshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Spouse Margret Turnbull



ErikaH

ErikaH Report 9 Jul 2023 17:12

HENDERSON
ELIZABETH
45
REEVIE
F
1889
685 / 3 / 683
CANONGATE

SIMPSON
ELIZABETH
45
REEVIE
F
1889
685 / 3 / 683
CANONGATE

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 9 Jul 2023 17:12

[Following on from my last post, re Ann Riva ]

Also a daughter Isabella:

MCPEAK
ISABELLA HENDER[son]
mmn TURNBULL
F
1877
685 / 3 / 945
Canongate


And Johan McPeaks' middle name was Simpson:

MCPEAK
JOHAN SIMPSON
mmn TURNBULL
F
1881
685 / 3 / 829
Canongate



Isabella died in infancy:

MCPEAK
ISABELLA HENDER[son]
1
TURNBULL
F
1878
685 / 3 / 801
Canongate