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Deaths Mar 1908 (>99%)
GOODWIN Donald William 1 Docking 4b 208

1921 Census Of England & Wales
12, Marshalls Grove, Woolwich, London & Kent, England
John J Goodwin Head Male 1881 39 Erith, Kent, England Boiler Maker Siemens Brothers Cable Manufacturers
Florence A Goodwin Wife Female 1882 39 Middlesex, England - -
Florence E Goodwin Daughter Female 1908 13 Woolwich, London, England - -
John H Goodwin Son Male 1911 10 Woolwich, London, England - -
Winifred J Goodwin Daughter Female 1912 8 Woolwich, London, England - -
Hilda F Goodwin Daughter Female - - -


Marriages Mar 1907 (>99%)
Goodwin John Joseph Woolwich 1d 1599
HOWELL Florence Woolwich 1d 1599

Thirza was back home with her family in 1911

1911 Census For England & Wales
Sunderland Docking Kings Lynn, Docking, Norfolk, England
Household members (10 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Howell Head Married Male 48 1863 Farm yardman Docking Norfolk
Harriet Howell Wife Married Female 44 1867 - Stanhoe Norfolk
William Howell Son Single Male 24 1887 Horseman on farm Stanhoe Norfolk
Thirza Goodwin Daughter Married Female 23 1888 - Stanhoe Norfolk
John Howell Son Single Male 18 1893 Farm labourer Stanhoe Norfolk
Elsie Howell Daughter - Female 14 1897 Mothers help Docking Norfolk
Helen Howell Daughter - Female 12 1899 School Docking Norfolk
George Howell Son - Male 10 1901 School Docking Norfolk
Hilda Howell Daughter - Female 8 1903 School Docking Norfolk
Mildred Howell Daughter - Female 3 1908 - Docking Norfolk

Says married 6 years no children which is untrue because she had te son Donald who died

Baptism

First name(s) Donald William
County Norfolk
Last name Goodwin
Country England
Sex Male
Archive Norfolk Record Office
Birth year 1907
Archive reference PD 483/14
Birth date 24 Jan 1907
Register year range 1895-1935
Baptism year 1907
Page 36
Baptism date 31 May 1907
Document Type Parish registers
Father's first name(s) William Henry
Record set Norfolk Baptisms
Father's occupation Farm Laboruer
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Mother's first name(s) Thirza Elizabeth
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Place Docking
Collections from England, Great Britain
Diocese Norwich

Sadly

First name(s) Donald William
County Norfolk
Last name Goodwin
Volume 4B
Sex Male
Page 208
Birth year 1907
Country England
Age 1
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Death quarter 1
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death year 1908
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
District Docking
Collections from Great Britain, England

Thirza had a son with William Goodwin

GOODWIN, DONALD WILLIAM HOWELL
GRO Reference: 1907 M Quarter in DOCKING Volume 04B Page 276

And maybe !

GOODWIN, JOHN HOWELL HOWELL
GRO Reference: 1911 M Quarter in WOOLWICH Volume 01D Page 1170

Edit this one is a different family!

1939 register

Thirza is in Norfolk with son Donald

1939 Register
35 Chapel Yard, Wells-Next-The-Sea, Wells U.D., Norfolk, England

Household members (4 people)

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Mary Ann Kemp 26 Jan 1850 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 161 1
Joseph J Taylor 19 Jul 1876 Male Electrician Married 161 2
Thurza E Taylor 04 Oct 1888 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 161 3
Donald A Taylor 22 Dec 1914 Male Baker Single 161 4

Just asa timeline

TAYLOR, DONALD ARTHUR DOWELL
GRO Reference: 1914 M Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 1273

Mmn mispelt or transcribed

TAYLOR, - HOWELL
GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 1196

TAYLOR, HARRIETT ELIZABETH HOWELL
GRO Reference: 1917 J Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 1024

TAYLOR, EDWARD CHARLES HOWELL
GRO Reference: 1919 D Quarter in GRAVESEND Volume 02A Page 1345


So was with Thirza before 1914 !

The 1949 marriage suggested by Jink is for the man below - NOT your man:

Births Jun 1904 (>99%)
Taylor Jack Medway 2a 750

His parents were Frederick and Emma, per 1911 census.

Jack Taylor
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name Jack Taylor
Registration Date Jul 1949 [Aug 1949] [Sep 1949]
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Chatham
Inferred County Kent
Spouse
Olive B Kilmartin Or Tolcher
Volume Number 5b
Page number 953


Olive Beatrice Taylor
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Olive Beatrice Taylor
Death Age 80
Birth Date 2 Dec 1906
Registration Date Jul 1987
Registration district Chatham
Inferred County Kent
Volume 16
Page 646


Olive Beatrice Taylor
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name Olive Beatrice Taylor
Death Date 19 Jul 1987
Death Place Gillingham Kent
Probate Date 28 Aug 1987
Probate Registry Brighton

Address: 62 East Court Lane, Gillingham, Kent. <<<<<<<<<<<<<





Jack Taylor
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Jack Taylor
Death Age 80
Birth Date 23 Mar 1904 <<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration Date Aug 1984
Registration district Maidstone
Inferred County Kent
Volume 16
Page 1083


Jack Taylor
in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name Jack Taylor
Death Date 8 Aug 1984
Death Place Gillingham Kent
Probate Date 21 Sep 1984
Probate Registry Brighton

Address: 62 East Court Lane, Gillingham, Kent. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Linked to new thread posted today

Unless you have a copy of the marriage cert, not sure how you can hope to identify the right Goodwin as he isn’t with Thirza in 1911

That right Jack's step mother Thirza had been married before to a William Henry Goodwin. I have looked up this both in the surames Howell and Goodwin. The other interesting things is that I have never traced the birth and death of William Henry Goodwin which might suggest that she was still married to him when she met Joseph John Taylor.

As a matter of interest, the DoB on her death reg isn’t accurate. Her birth was registered OND 1887

‘Saying’ she was his wife doesn’t mean she actually was

She was married in 1905 to William Henry Goodwin, so any marriage to Taylor would not have been in her maiden name

Having said that, I can’t see one,

Jack's mother passed away and his father married Thirza Elizabeth Howell. However, I have never found the date and place of that married. However, when Thirza died she had the surname Taylor and the informant was her husband and it said she was his wife. From 1921 I have not found a trace of Jack Taylor but Taylor and names like Jack and John are very common.

The person has a John Taylor in their tree. They also have a Charles Edward Taylor in their tree that is Jack/John's half brother that I am looking for the same missing information.

Sorry for the confusion.

Industrial schools usually trained their pupils to work in specific areas and in this case could well be farming.
Virginia really does need to contact Kent History & Library centre ( as I suggested this morning ) to see if they have any record of Jack.

Virginia -
the child named John in the 1911 census is definitely Jack.
We know that because of the names of his parents and siblings.

In later life (after the 1921 census, when he's called Jack) he may have been known as either Jack or John.
So far, we haven't found definite records for him after that, as there are lots of Jack or John Taylors.

EDIT:
Oh, I see. I think I misunderstood your last post.
You mean that the person you have messaged has both John, and Jack's half-brother, in her tree.

I done a search for John Taylor in the family trees a person has also got a name for his half brother and I messaged her earlier today on that so I have sent a message to see if John/Jack might be the sameperson.

Doesn’t change the fact that he was registered as Jack.

See 1911 census.......................