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Winifred kathleen Wynn ... please help

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greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Dec 2023 19:46

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
39, Red Post Hill, Dulwich, Camberwell, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Tom Tijou Head Married Male 53 1848 Chemist Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Kate E Tijou Wife Married Female 38 1863 Spain (British Subject) -
Helen W Tijou Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - London, Middlesex, England
Edith Paige Sister-in-law Single Female 23 1878 Blouse maker Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire, England
Hugh Leir Boarder Single Male 20 1881 Bank clerk Charlton, Somerset, England
Elenor Leir Boarder Single Female 22 1879 School teacher Charlton, Somerset, England
Svene Otterbeck Boarder Single Male 22 1879 Ship broker Norway
Trygve Somershield Boarder Single Male 22 1879 Wood pulp agent Norway
Martha E Hackett Servant Single Female 18 1883 General servant domestic Plaistow, Essex, England

could this be Tom Tijou's death, leaving the widow free to marry

Deaths Mar 1904 (>99%)
TIJOU Tom 55 Coventry 6d 397

NOT unless the marriage was bigamous or the death late being registered

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Dec 2023 19:47

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TIJOU, HELEN WINIFRED KATHLEEN ALTON
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 397

Q1 registration would fit a February birth - out by a year from 1939 reg. but that's not unusual

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
Alton Kate Elizabeth H Carlisle 10b 701
TIJOU Tom Carlisle 10b 701

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Dec 2023 19:50

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
205, Rotherhithe New Road, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Tom Tijou Head Married Male 35 1846 Chemist Matlock Bath, Derbyshire, England
Emma Maria Tijou Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Derbyshire, England
Reginald Alton Tijou Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Charles Kiddy Tijou Son Single Male 3 1878 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Charlotte Pumfrey Servant Single Female 19 1862 General servant domestic New Cross, Surrey, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Dec 2023 19:51

Tom's first marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1875 (>99%)

HOPKINSON Emma Maria Lambeth 1d 565 Scan available - click to view
TIJOU Tom Lambeth 1d 565 Scan available - click to view

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Dec 2023 19:52

After his marriage to Kate

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
205, Rotherhithe New Road, Rotherhithe, St Olave Southwark, London & Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Tijou Head Married Male 44 1847 Chemist Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Kate Tijou Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Spain
Reginald Tijou Son - Male 14 1877 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Charles K Tijou Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Mary Pilon Mother Widow Female 81 1810 Living on own means Belper, Derbyshire, England
Ellen Clarke Servant Single Female 16 1875 General servant Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 1 Dec 2023 19:57

According to a tree on ancestry kate died in South Africa in 1947

They don’t have any record of any marriage to William wynn

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 1 Dec 2023 20:03

If this is William they are pensioners !

Name William Wynn
Age in 1911 80
Estimated Birth Year abt 1831
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place St George
Civil parish St George Hanover Square
County/Island London
Country England
Street Address 151 Lupus Street, Pimlico SW
Marital Status Married
Occupation Retired Coachman
Registration District Number 5
Sub-registration district Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel 19
Piece 451
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
William Wynn 80 Head
Ellen Wynn
62
Wife

greyghost

greyghost Report 1 Dec 2023 20:08

Shirley's William and Ellen had been married 3 years - so this one ?
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)

MATTHEWS Ellen St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1063
WYNN William St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1063

Emma

Emma Report 1 Dec 2023 20:16

Alviegal.... thankyou...yes Colin Charman was in touch with me years ago when I started researching and I gave him the little info I have

Emma

Emma Report 1 Dec 2023 20:36

Wow you guys are so good at this ...I need more practice. My mum says all she wants for Xmas is to find out who winifred was so I'm really pushing it . So many rabbit holes it's hurting my brain. I really appreciate you all helping me

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 2 Dec 2023 08:00

If Helen was a daughter of Tom and Kate why would she become a wynn if an Ellen married a William wynn ?

First name(s) Ellen
Country England
Last name Tijou
Volume 1D
Marriage quarter 3
Volume as transcribed 1D
Marriage year 1903
Page number 220
Registration month -
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
MarriageFinder™ Ellen Tijou married one of these people
William Wynn, George Thomas Middlemass
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
District Southwark
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
District number -
Collections from Great Britain, England
County London

This seems to be her


Ellen
Mother's first name(s) Louisa
Last name Tijou
Parent's occupation Tanner
Birth year 1866
Residence 2 Caroline Place, Mina Road
Birth date 05 Jul 1866
County Surrey
Baptism year 1872
Country England
Baptism date 02 Oct 1872
Record set Surrey Baptisms
Baptism place Southwark St Mary Magdalen Massinger Road
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Relationship Dau
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Father's first name(s) William
Collections from England, Great Britain
© West Surrey Family History Society

Mother Louisa


This looks like her birth


TIJOU, ELLEN NEWMAN
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 59


So seems to be a totally different family

Kay????

Kay???? Report 2 Dec 2023 09:00

No birth in Scotland under that name either ,cant see anything on Incomming Passenger lists.........Wynn is a much used Welsh surname.

she possibly took a stepfathers surname at a young age.?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Dec 2023 09:22

What was Winifred’s address when she married? Did she declare an occupation?

Emma

Emma Report 2 Dec 2023 10:39

I think I've gone down the wrong rabbit hole with the tijou family ... really thought I'd found a clue aswell...


At the time of marriage the address was 52 Jeffreys road Clapham road London, it sates Winifred as a spinster

Emma

Emma Report 2 Dec 2023 10:43

I believe 52 Jeffreys road is Stockwell lambeth

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Dec 2023 11:42

On the 1925, 1926 and 1927 ERs, these people are at 52 Jeffreys Road, Lambeth:

George & Louisa Cooke; Robert Maxwell Dalrymple; the Ellis family (Douglas, Edwin James, and Louisa Amelia); and Julia & Stephen Wilfred Sullivan.

Winifred must just have been a boarder/lodger.

Emma

Emma Report 2 Dec 2023 12:04

Argyllgran ah thanks so much for looking for me that's fab

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 2 Dec 2023 12:42

These are the Winifred Kathleen registrations on freebmd, who were born in 1894 or 1895 (for a February birth and allowing for a year out from declared 1939 date of birth)

Births Mar 1894
Darby Winifred Kathleen Hackney 1b 552
Nicholes Winifred Kathleen Kingston 2a 389
Thomas Winifred Kathleen Cardiff 11a 390
Toplis Winifred Kathleen Pancras 1b 178

Births Jun 1894
Guise Winifred Kathleen Bromsgrove 6c 382
Kirton Winifred Kathleen Rochford 4a 498
Powley Winifred Kathleen M St. Faith's 4b 97
Wootton Winifred Kathleen Cannock 6b 518

Births Mar 1895
Hewett Winifred Kathleen Barton R. 6a 67
Hooper Winifred Kathleen H Barton R. 6a 161

Births Jun 1895
Barrett Winifred Kathleen N. Witchford 3b 565
Bridgland Winifred Kathleen J Edmonton 3a 484
Hanley Winifred Kathleen Burton 6b 427
Hill Winifred Kathleen Thingoe 4a 784
Taylor Winifred Kathleen Stoke D. 5b 330


May be your Winifred was registered with one of these surnames, but later took a stepfather's name of Wynn..?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 2 Dec 2023 13:53

The Hewett one died in infancy

I looked only for births relating to the DOB as per1939, so my info is limited

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 Dec 2023 14:05

You can forget all those born in 1894.


Darby: parents Thomas and Kathleen; married Frederick Thompson in 1918.

Nicholes: born 25 Feb 1894; parents William (labourer) and Kathleen.

Thomas: parents Annie & John; married Trevor Edwards in 1918.

Toplis: born 8 Feb 1894; married Horace Read in 1920; is on 1939 Register.

Guise: parents Harry & Nellie; married Joseph Owen in 1939.

Kirton: parents Juliana & Charles; died unmarried in 1936.

Powley: born 4 March 1894; parents Charles & Amelia; still unmarried in 1939.

Wootton: parents Kate & George; married Stokes in 1918, died 1980.